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i think that the global south is a dead end if the chinese can’t figure out how to make it profitable fast enough.

governments like the americans have centuries worth of tribal knowledge and the experience it takes to make the global south bend to it’s will and they will/are using that to grey rock chinese ambitions there and it’s working.

the only counter that the chinese have, imo, is to expend their financial might in making it happen anyways despite the costs incurred like byd is doing in mexico; but doing so imperils themselves further because the biggest and strongest asset to the american war chest is it’s de facto control over the world’s finances. so if the chinese pursue this avenue, they should expect to be outmaneuvered wo strong allies.

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It sounds like you’re analyzing China as if it were just another capitalist state, but it’s not one. It doesn’t need—or even want—to (neo)colonize the Global South. It wants equal exchange with them, not unequal exchange. The Global South is now largely wise to the imperial core’s neocolonial debt traps (think IMF & World Bank), and they’re happy to engage with China’s non-predatory alternatives.

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… they’re happy to engage with China’s non-predatory alternatives.

i believe that this is why they have a real chance of outlasting everyone; people are sick of american hegemony and it’s underhanded abusiveness.

whether or not china wants to be an imperial power itself is immaterial since the current hegemony of empires will & are doing everything in their power to assert control of china and cap its influence; they have enough leverage at their disposal to decimate china like they did in the past and their newest strategy includes the successful international ostracization levied against them to keep them away from the word economies that are both amenable to the goal of equal exchange and are able to help them achieve that goal. (eg mexico, brazil, vietnam, etc.)

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they have enough leverage at their disposal to decimate china like they did in the past

I do not believe they have that leverage anymore. The Global North has largely deindustrialized itself, and it currently seems unable to escape the neoliberal hole it has dug for itself, and that will prevent re-industrialization. The US and Europe combined can’t even produce enough munitions for Ukraine’s needs right now. The US military is very large, but it is extraordinarily expensive, and it is very ineffective in proportion to cost. It produces very technologically sophisticated, expensive garbage, and their older, large platforms have been poorly maintained. The US has proven to itself in its own war games that it can’t reliably take on Iran, never mind China. Technology-wise, China has already surpassed the West in some areas, and that trajectory has a lot of momentum. China files more patents than the next nine countries combined. The Global North is also a minority of the world’s population by a long shot, and it holds a minority of the world’s natural resources. It is an empire in decline.

In the Global North’s attempts at “international” sanctions, it is ostracizing itself from the global majority. The Global South—Russia and China included—are ignoring those sanctions and doing its own thing. Even Global North countries are skirting their own sanctions and trading with Russia on the sly. A recent interview with Marxist economists Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff: A World Pushed to Resist: U.S. Policies and the Rise of Global Alliances

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