Tech tycoon Elon Musk joined a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the day after the presidential election, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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Remember when we had a whole impeachment hearing against Trump for withholding aid to Ukraine so he could get a political hit piece on Biden? I’m wondering how long it will take before a quid pro quo scenario pops up again. Either in Ukraine or elsewhere. So ya, we’re all feeling for Zelensky in the next few years.

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87 points

There will be no agreements.

trump is going to change US policy to excluding all intelligence and military support and will “leak” all known military intel to putin.

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As though nobody considered what he was actually doing with all those confidential documents.

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Don’t worry. He was just confused last time and totally will never steal and leak sensitive information ever again because that would be against the law. Just like he won’t extend his presidency or rig an election because that would violate the constitution.

We’ve been seeing this shit for months. At first I thought it was just contrarian dumbasses. But I have increasingly realized that this is people convincing themselves that it was fine to vote for trump. Oh, he wasn’t REALLY going to do anything to violate teh constitution when he led an armed insurrection against the capital and was just buying time for rudy g to solve things. Oh, he isn’t going to serve the country to putin because all those heroic men and women in uniform will stop him this time for real.

It is fucking idiocy.

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With everything else, I somehow forgot about those documents

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And all those 5* Generals and going to stand by and salute ?

You really don’t understand America .

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16 points

Someone in another thread said that Trump could fire generals until he gets someone who is willing to use troops domestically.

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You’re right.

Just like none of us understood when they all sat with their thumbs up their asses waiting to see how January 6 would shake out. But hey, that is fine. It was because they were waiting for orders from the POTUS or the VPOTUS… that the VPOTUS had a lynch mob and compromised secret service agents hunting down.

But hey, I want me some salmon so Support The Troops God Bless America We Are Number One Make America Great Again, right?

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Impeaching him might be on the docket, if the Republicans really want Vance in the puppet seat. I think they’d rather manipulate him than whatever fucking impending shit-splosion Trump will become about 3 minutes in.

I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things. We know that isn’t happening with Donny.

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I think Vance might at least be convinced to do logical things.

He’s more likely to competently implement project 2025. Or at least more competently than Trump.

And that’s not a good thing for anyone.

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I go back and forth on which is more dangerous.

trump is pathologically incapable of not backstabbing everyone around him and people telling him what to do is going to accelerate that. So we might get lucky and go back to the largely ineffectual screaming of the last round rather than focused efforts.

But vance actually has ambitions and might want to be his own person. And vance is REAL stupid.

I think we are horribly fucked either way but I think I am still leaning toward trump surviving until late 2028.

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There may exist a scenario where north korea is trying to build something that looks suspiciously like an Ohio class submarine and he has a strange golf bar appear on his desk.

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