Because you now did it to yourself.
Marxists didn’t sabotage the Democrats, the Democrats sabotaged themselves. Third party voters swayed 0 elections, especially not swing states. The truth is that the Democrats failed to rile up their base, Harris stopped doing what was effective like calling Republicans weird, then shifted to Liz Cheney endorsements to court the right.
The idea that the .1-.5% of votes that went to Stein or De La Crúz swayed an election where Harris handily lost 1-2% at minimum in nearly every swing state caused her loss is laughable. It was not the Leftists making any difference on the election, it was the failure of the Democratic Party and the Harris campaign.
Where was Medicare for All? Where was “Build Back Better?” Where were the solid, progressive policies that encouraged massive voter turnout in 2020 that evaporated in 2024? Gone, from both the campaign and the voterbase.
Whether you identify as a leftist or not, blaming a tiny group on swaying a massive election where non-voters would have beaten both Harris and Trump is silly. Look at the vote counts, the fact is that the Dems failed by their own lack of merit. This is the first time in several decades where a Republican has won the popular vote, the real, material numbers cannot be ignored. They are real, and need to be taken seriously.
what a stupid argument. You are blaming the Democrats for “failing to protect you” (by failing to win the Election) when YOU YOURSELF were advocating for people to stop supporting them winning the Election.
YOU are the one whose face got eaten by a Leopard. By advocating for people to stop voting for her.
And now you’re trying to make a profit off of it. You plunged the country into fascism (or at least advocated for it) and now you’re trying to play the victim, discredit those that actually tried to stop fascism, and try to profit off the fascist President you yourself helped elect.
Seriously, sod off. Don’t try to blame others for the crimes you committed.
I am telling you that if every single third party voter, including the libertarians that voted for Oliver, all voted for Harris and convinced several others to do so each, Harris would have still lost. This is an irrefutable fact, the Democrats failed to run a campaign that brought out voters like they did in 2020. They fumbled big time by not promising popular policies like Medicare for All, and the genocide in Palestine has only hurt her campaign.
The blame is not with the leftists, who are too small in number to make a difference one way or the other, but on the Democratic Party.
Finally, even if the Leftists had decided the election (which we proved they did not), then again, it was a failure of the Democratic Party to push to the right with Liz Cheney endorsements, rather than courting this imaginary powerful Leftist voting block.
Either way, it isn’t on Leftists.
jesus fucking christ.
You’re blaming the Democrats for losing, when you yourself obstructed the democrats from winning. You advocated for People not to vote for Kamala, which they did, and now you’re blaming Kamala for losing.
You have absolutely no right to critisize the democrats or whine and bitch about the current situation.
And the Argument about third party voters is a straw argument. Because it’s not about the people you convinced to vote third party, it’s about those you convinced to abstain, to not vote at all
Those made the difference.
I’m generally on your side of this argument but the number of non-voters is hard to quantify yet clearly had a major effect on the outcome, and a lot of the anti-Harris rhetoric from the left demotivated people into not voting at all (as opposed to voting third party). The third party vote counts are somewhat irrelevant to this line of reasoning.
It’s important to note that there are 2 possibilities:
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Leftists had little influence, and therefore did not impact the election. This is further reinforced by the fact that many leftists did vote for Harris, leftists are not a monolith. Therefore, the problem is with how the Harris campaign fared compared to Biden in 2020. I believe this is more likely.
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Leftists had major influence, and the Democrats knowingly gambled on moving rightward. This is still a failure of the Democrats! If Leftists actually have the power claimed, then the minimum Harris could have done is run a similar campaign to Biden, not “Republican-lite.”
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