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The problem is this:

Democrats want a peaceful solution to the Genocide.

Republicans want a faster, more complete genocide.

One of those two parties is going to lead for the next four years.

Since when has a genocide ever ended peacefully?

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Democrats want a peaceful solution to the Genocide.

They certainly say they do.

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This is provably a lie.

They can end the genocide right now. Implying that they can’t is trying (and failing) to provide them cover for committing a genocide. And yes, continuing to provide weapons to the grunts doing the work doesn’t absolve them of the moral responsibility for it, nor does it provide them enough cover to pretend that genocide isn’t the outcome they want.

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No, they can’t, because they aren’t engaging in the genocide and Israel doesn’t need our help to commit it.

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Israel absolutely can’t do this without our weapons.

This is an objective provable fact.

Why do you believe that Israel ended every other war of aggression when there US forced them to end it.

Where do you think their money for weapons comes from?

Where do you think their weapons comes from?

I can’t tell it you’re lying intentionally to justify genocide, lying unintentionally because you are just fantastically uninformed about the regions history, or just flat out delusional.

Whatever the reason, you’re wrong. Biden could end this with a single phone call. You know, like has happened multiple times in the past. Because even if you don’t want to acknowledge the truth, Israel is aware of its absolute dependence on America.

Now onto the genocide bit. Actually, I can’t. At this point it is so blindingly obvious it is it’s like trying to argue with someone claiming the sun doesn’t exist.

I’m revising my opinion about your choice to lie about how much control the US has over Israeli adventurism.

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That is plain copium. Every political scientist worth their salt has said American support is essential to the modern Israeli state. America has been bombing Yemen, defending Israel diplomatically from the wider world and their neighbors and giving them billions of dollars. All naturalization treaties between Israel and its neighbors wouldn’t have been possible or sustainable without American support.

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Just because someone presents something as if there are a limited number of possibilities or outcomes, its important to keep in mind, this is often just a result of their framing. Its often more reflective of their incomplete thinking on a situation than it is reality, and cynically, its a kind of rhetorical slight of hand often used to keep a narrative structured in such a way that only certain outcomes are possible.

Democrats, and more importantly, their voters, have proven to be cowards in the face of doing the right thing. Demanding little and less from a party as weak as the Democrats has left a lane wide open. I think we’ll see that lane taken over the next couple of years.

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Let me frame it this way then… in my lifetime, more electoral college votes have been awarded ACCIDENTALLY than have been won by a third party. That’s an absolute fact:

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2016/12/enduring-mystery-america-s-last-faithless-elector/

The best shot a 3rd party had was with Ross Perot in 1992, how did that work out?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election

Clinton - 44,909,889 - 43.0% - 370 EC
Bush - 39,104,550 - 37.4% - 168
Perot - 19,743,821 - 18.9% - 0

No other 3rd party run has even been close.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_election

Clinton - 47,401,185 - 49.2% - 379
Dole - 39,197,469 - 40.7% - 159
Perot - 8,085,294 - 8.4% - 0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

Reagan - 43,903,230 - 50.7% - 489
Carter - 35,481,115 - 41.0% - 49
Anderson - 5,719,850 - 6.6% - 0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election

Bush - 50,456,002 - 47.9% - 271*
Gore - 50,999,897 - 48.4% - 266*
Nader - 2,882,955 - 2.74% - 0

* It was found, after Bush’s inauguration, that any correct re-counting of Florida would have awarded it to Gore.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

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Perot in 1992 is what really drives home the point. He got nearly 20% of the popular vote but ZERO electoral college votes. Voting 3rd party simply isn’t reasonable given our current system.

Voting is like public transportation, get on the train going the direction that you want. In the off years work to make changes and organize, most people ignore the second part.

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Do you have a point you think you are making in regurgitating this? If so spit it out. Something I’ve seen repeatedly on lemmy is people for whom some answer, some framing is acceptable, being completely incapable of understanding that there are people for whom that framing isn’t acceptable. Also, to be clear, we’re talking about a congress-critter, not the big house in this article. Since thats the topic of the article, it would be appropriate to keep the discussion focused. The reality is that it doesn’t matter how small world your view of this matter is: there are other people in the world who think differently than you, and if you want to actually convince them, these tired tropes wont work.

My argument, is that Democrats have left a lane wide open, and from a purely strategic/ cynical view of things, it would be stupid for some-one/ anyone to not just hop in and take that lane. I think we see Talib, Omar, maybe Porter, any other progressives who’ve been ratfucked by the DNC/ DCCC take that lane as independents. Its a blue ocean/ wide open opportunity that rarely shows itself in politics.

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