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16 points

8 days ago

They were like that before. Steve Bannon just realized he could use that shitty behaviour for political ends. Those guys don’t suck because of Steve Bannon, Bannon targeted them because they suck.

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paraphrand@lemmy.world

3 points

8 days ago

Well, we both had different groups in mind with the label then.

I really am talking about the subset that were taken down the pipeline and who were not shit heads before that.

It’s definitely true that there is a whole group of weak shit heads who decide on this world view with little outside influence. The hopeful side of me wants to perceive this group as smaller than the group that was truly taken advantage of.

Shitty behavior is shitty behavior. Don’t get me wrong, I hate this gamergate incel shit.

Edit: I realize I should clarify more? Maybe? My perception of gamergate was that a bunch of people were swept up by it and “activated” so to speak. Maybe that’s naïve. People with immature world views.

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1 point

8 days ago

Yeah. These people aren’t new though. Pushback to progress from reactionaries that are insecure with their own masculinity is well documented over the last century-ish. Possibly longer but I’ve only read about such a thing since the end of world war 2.

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paraphrand@lemmy.world

2 points

8 days ago

I see.

“Incel” and the archetype seem to be newer. And the phenomenon much larger in recent times. What was it labeled in the time before that? My gut instinct says it’s indistinct like many things were. Similar to having names for mental disorders now that we didn’t have back then. So there would have been lots of various labels for that type of guy. Never really coalescing until “incel” was popularized.

You take a broader and broader view of the group as our conversation goes on. I’ve been looking at the more recent phenomenon. And I’ve been focused on a group just of men/boys who are at a point in their lives before they are snatched by the incel ideology.

It’s a dreadful situation.

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1 point

8 days ago

Depending on the country and time there’s been many different names for it. “Blackshirts.” “Brownshirts.” Generally all the different words for social conservative in the US. But it’s always men that are insecure with their own masculinity, and generally just suck ass and blame their problems on social movements. Right wing pundits have an easy time getting these men onto their side. It’s easier to blame society for your problems than it is to work on yourself. Women having jobs and playing video games is why you aren’t sexually successful or successful at your job, and that’s because leftists hate men and masculinity. Even though that isn’t true fascists have a very easy time convincing these men that it is, because they’re really fucking stupid. But a stupid warm body gets the same amount of votes as a smart warm body, and it’s a great strategy if you’re willing to be super disingenuous with your message. I think it’s probably why hard leftists tend to be fighting these electoral battles with a huge handicap, because Liberals and everyone to the right of them don’t seem to have these moral quandaries, at least as far as American leftists go. But I’m biased as fuck so that could just be my delusional opinion on that.

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1 point

8 days ago

I guess it’s probably important to point out though that the ultraviolence against women in the incel community is new as far as I know, probably because they weren’t able to communicate in such closed and broad reaching communities before the internet.

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