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16 points

21 days ago

Right, so you didn’t actually campaign for any candidate, which makes your “vote third party” idea even sillier.

This is how many third party candidates there are this year:

Jill Stein
Chase Oliver
Claude De La Cruz
Randall Terry
Cornel West

So if you think people should vote either for Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Constitution Party candidate Randall Terry and it doesn’t matter which one because “third party or nothing,” you are an unserious person.

It’s like saying you don’t care if dinner is shit or salad as long as it isn’t meat.

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granolabar@kbin.melroy.org

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-18 points

21 days ago

I am a wage worker with a full time job.

It is not my job produce a candidate. I vote based on what it is available which is shit, shit or 3p shit.

I am just going to write in some random so my voted is counted in the total but it doesnt go to kamala trump…

This is not rocket science, this is pure opposition to the two party system.

I will keep doing this until i am dead OR system produces somebody i can stomach, we can revisit the issue then.

Ps. I dont think you understand the concept of opposition. Looks like muslim americans are discovering it tho. Wierd times but maybe thats what it takes or NOT

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8 points

21 days ago

I didn’t ask you to produce a candidate.

I gave you a list of third party candidates running in 2024. You won’t say who people should vote for.

Jill Stein and Randall Terry could not be more ideologically opposed on most issues. You’re doubling down on “third party or nothing” as if it doesn’t matter whether someone votes for the person who wants to do something about climate change or the climate change denier (Stein vs. Terry).

You are essentially backing up what I’m saying- “I’ll eat shit or salad for dinner. Doesn’t matter as long as it isn’t meat.”

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granolabar@kbin.melroy.org

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-17 points

21 days ago

Well thats because you dont understand my thesis.

It aint about vote for a candidate, it is is about a vote against the current arrangement.

Arab Americans are facing similar misunderstandings but they came to this point from a different position.

American political discourse is apparently unable to understand this position, which is still telling about how the system works.

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8 points

21 days ago

Someone has to win the presidency in order to make changes.

As of right now, only one of two people has a chance of being president in January: Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

That is true whether you vote against one or both of them. No one is going to say “hey, a some people are voting for various third party candidates this year” and make changes. Do you know how I know this? Because it has not happened in 100 years. Not even when a single third party candidate had nearly 20% of the vote.

It didn’t happen with Jill Stein last time or Gary Johnson or Ralph Nader or literally any other third party candidate you could name. Because they never change things beyond which of the main two parties gets to declare a winner.

That will certainly not change in a year when there is not a Ross Perot in the pack.

So, again, if that’s your way of achieving change, you will not achieve change and should get out of the way.

Edit: Come to think of it, Ross Perot did effect change- namely he effected change by getting the two major parties to pass laws in the legislatures they controlled making it harder for third parties to get on the ballot. I’m guessing that’s not what you want.

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granolabar@kbin.melroy.org

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-18 points

21 days ago

It is a generational fight… It tooks generations after FDR to get us to this shiti conditions.

You are spreading FUD btw… Which is a bad faith tactic.

If trump gets elected, it will be about the same as ehat happened last time. Aka more enshitification. Thats just where we are going.

If kamala gets elected, believe or not, same thing lol

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7 points

21 days ago

I’m reading that there are between 4 and 5 generations per century and there hasn’t been a significant third party presidential candidate that caused any effective changes in over a century.

How many generations is this going to take before there’s change since 4-5 have yet to achieve it? Because the Earth isn’t getting any cooler. I don’t think we have more than a couple left. And I don’t even know if those couple matter.

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AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca

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4 points

21 days ago

God damn, you can’t even spell or use grammar properly and you get a vote. I’m not even American, and it still pisses me off that people as dumb as you exist. As much as I hate to admit it, murican elections have far reaching consequences, if trump gets in again, then that’s terrible for the world as a whole.

Harris is by far the lesser evil, and spare me the bullshit about both sides being the same. Both options suck yes, but one is clearly less shitty for not just America, but all of your allies. Even here in Canada where a third party is actually semi-viable, there’s still basically no chance for the NDP to win sadly, let alone some random 3rd party in murica. Vote against trump by voting for Harris or support him by voting for anyone else, like it not, those are your choices.

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Kellamity@sh.itjust.works

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1 point

20 days ago

same thing lol

Except for immigrants, queer people, black people, Muslim people, and women. For those groups it is decidedly not the fucking same

But because the Democrats aren’t going to reverse capitalism and it doesn’t affect you personally, who gives a shit, right? Fuck everybody apart from you

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