There is no argument in those examples. Though it did make me recall my second house was littered with ants for about a year. Ugh I forgot how bad that was. Pour cereal and bam ants. Which makes sense given grandmas food practices.

For my other phobias I ask myself the question how does my/those around me quality of life improve by getting over this and used that to fight my inner demons. I don’t see the benefits of peace yet. Keep in mind took 2 years of discussion for me to start to move with another phobia. At the very least I’m asking myself what would I need hear to change my position on this. I dk yet.