The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
Antifa most certainly can be violent, but it largely depends on circumstances, or maybe I’m conflating the antifa activists who also participate in Black Bloc, or maybe they’ve just calmed down a bit here in the USA since they first blipped onto my radar maybe 30 years ago.
That was never debated, absolutely there can be violence. There is a difference though between a structured organization planning to terrorize people (Patriot Front, Patriot March, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Texas Freedom Force) and antifa, which is simply a network of.people unified by only one thing - antifascism. As such, antifa has no structure, no commander, no single person to listen to or be ostracized.
Which means involvement is limited to a specific task, not large scale terror efforts. These two things are not the same.
But let’s ignore that for a second, and consider the other part mentioned to “equate” the violence. Protests. Specifically shooting at police stations and setting fires. And yet, that’s not what happened - those were right wing provocateurs.
In fact, of those who were left wing and arrested, most were not affiliated with any group.
Because the idea of antifa and BLM being organized violent groups on par with the hate groups / terrorist organizations I mentioned is specifically a right wing talking point, a complete farce.
Which leads us to the blue maga bit - this is another right wing talking point (as well as a tankies talking point, mostly to bolster the right in some weird hope for a civil war, which I will never understand).
In any case - these are not talking points of moderates. They are exclusively found within extremist groups/positions. Blue maga doesn’t exist.
I haven’t seen anything else that suggests antisemitism, so far, either. “So far” being key.
I’d recommend this comment right here:
https://lemmy.world/comment/12762297
I’ve been accused of RW talking because I’m definitely voting third party or not at all.
That is beyond unfortunate, effectively you are providing your vote to Trump. This is not a point for debate, that’s what is happening. All third party candidates up for this Presidential election are spoiler candidates and nothing more. I’ve recently detailed out all the elements related to Jill Stein, including one of her supporters, at Jill Steins rally, specifically calling out their intention to make Harris lose. She literally serves no other purpose.
Make no mistake, what you are doing is the sane as voting for Trump. Again, you can do as you choose, just dont pretend what you are doing is anything but bolstering Trump, especially if you live in a battleground state. Because you are.
That’s when a Jewish friend of mine pulled me aside and explained hasbara (it’s not explaining, it’s excusing the inexcusable, so yes, propaganda)
Thanks for the clarification, its been quite a while since I’ve been around many of my friends who do speak Hebrew, mostly due to covid.
I do have to add - your vote, which is effectively a vote for Trump, will ramp up what’s happening. With Harris there is an opportunity for things to change, more than just words, but let’s be honest here - she can’t say that or she’ll lose a significant group of voters in key states.
Trump has called himself Israels “protector”. He also said:
I think that Israel has to do one thing. They have to get smart about Trump, because they don’t back me. I did more for Israel than anybody. I did more for the Jewish people than anybody. And it’s not reciprocal, as they say, not reciprocal.
But the nice thing is they’re entitled to an attack, and nobody will be upset if they attack, because they’re entitled.
So just to be clear here - a third party spoiler vote is voting for ramping up the bombing.
By all means, continue to look. But every comment in this thread they made is riddled with right wing talking points. This is not a moderate.
At best, they’ve been been tricked so thoroughly they are parroting all the maga hate talking points.
At worst, a paid poster.
I hope you have a good night too, and I sincerely hope you reconsider throwing away your vote.
The first part, we agree. The J6 rioters were fascist insurrectionists, most certainly not Antifa or Black Bloc.
I don’t agree about voting third or not voting is for her that I shall not name, but I’ll concede it was not that long ago that I would have agreed. I’ve simply had a change in perspective.
The way anyone who disagree with the mainstream parties’ are virulently attacked as being either “radical leftists/Communists” or inversely, “fascists/Russians/bots”…I can see where Blue Maga makes sense. I would hope you would take time to consider that. Cult of Personality doesn’t just apply to Voldemort or the prosecutor. In Living Color and Disposable Heros of Hiphoprisy both addressed that in those exact words and in so many words, respectively, but it’s been a multitude of years ago, with songs that were rather popular, at the time. Fred Hampton, MLK and other leftist icons (if one can consider MLK leftist) did, as well.
Although we agree on certain points, and disagree on others, I’m glad you engaged in conversation with me. I think it’s been productive, and humanized us more for each other. I’ll certainly continue to give your sentiments more consideration. I hope you do mine, as well. May you be happy and well. Brightest blessings for you and yours, sincerely.
I don’t agree about voting third or not voting is for her that I shall not name, but I’ll concede it was not that long ago that I would have agreed. I’ve simply had a change in perspective.
Your perspective on this isn’t really relevant, and neither is mine.
Its pure math. Not voting Harris bolsters Trump, whether its a third party vote or not voting at all.
I would hope you would take time to consider that.
I will absolutely not, because its a completely false equivalency. Maga is so much more than accusing someone of shilling. It is in absolutely no way comparable, and is in no way an idea worth entertaining.
Its garbage. Its intended to mislead. And you, right now, are a perfect example of someone falling for it. You’re taking a minor item, which then becomes an equivalent of literally violent fascists who have no problem being in bed with white supremacists and christian nationalists who want a white christian nation.
No. It is absolutely not worth contemplating. That is absolutely farcical.
I hope you do mine, as well.
I always do consider what others say. I will not, however, waste time on those ideas which are 100% intended to mislead, especially those ideas championed by racist, hateful, fear mongering fascists. Those aren’t worth my time. I don’t think they should be worth yours either.
Have a good night!
