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-44 points

12 days ago

The next stage is for you to call me a Russian agent for saying something you don’t like. Textbook denialism would be you presenting facts showing she is loyal to Russia, or working intentionally on their behalf, and then me denying it. Thus far your “evidence” is a Salon article with a headline that doesn’t even represent the story and makes baseless accusations.

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TachyonTele@lemm.ee

25 points

12 days ago

Nah you’re just a lier, that’s all.
I didn’t realize I presented evidence of anything, but ok.

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-31 points

12 days ago

You haven’t. That’s my point is that the blue MAGA cultists here are claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it. They’re mad that facts don’t support their feelings.

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empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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25 points

12 days ago

claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it.

Everyone in this photo works for Putin and were there at the behest of Putin. Two Americans are in this photo. One was put in jail for a while because they lied about working for foreign actors, least of which is Russia. I’ll leave it to you to see who the other one is.

All this evidence of Stein actively using GOP (and thus Russia) aligned assets/money and refusing to denounce Russia in any capacity until forced, only further drives nails in the coffin.

Take a hike.

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg/1280px-Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg

-17 points

12 days ago

LOL… you got your 4chan QANON proof right there. A photo with little arrows without any facts or evidence that Jill Stein works for Putin. Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal. It’s really rich that you demand politicians call out war criminals, but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal. You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician, and this picture is nothing more than you desperately trying to paint a narrative without any supporting facts. You don’t even attempt to provide facts, but instead hope that most users will be a desperate as you are to ignore them thinking it will somehow make Trump lose.

Just like the lap dogs that were here after the debate between Biden & Trump saying Biden did amazing and sounded sharp as a tack. Need I remind you, Biden was losing to Trump at that time in the polls by over 4 points and was on pace to cause Democrats to lose the House & Senate. Your way of helping almost cost Democrats chances of winning in 2024.

Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

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empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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11 points

12 days ago

Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

…You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician,

Incorrect equivalency, invalid argument. The difference there is Biden is the elected President of the United States. It is quite literally HIS JOB to meet with foreign heads of state, including Putin. I don’t suspect him of collaborating when he has public meetings with a foreign power. Hell, I don’t even suspect Trump when he had those meetings because it was unfortunately also his job. it was all the other shady shit we learn about and pro-Putin comments he’s made.
Stein is an unelected nobody with less than zero power in the US, except for the fact that she participates in and disrupts American elections. She has NO rights as an American citizen to be discussing anything with a foreign power that may be related to elections or policy or relations, which I guarantee she did at that dinner table. This is called the Logan Act, and she is an unauthorized representative.

Again, let me repeat this. SHE IS NOT A POLITICIAN, SHE IS AN UNELECTED CANDIDATE. SHE HAS ZERO RIGHT TO BE INTERACTING WITH ANY FOREIGN POWER IN ANY CAPACITY.

Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal.

After weaseling around the word for over 5 minutes in an interview, both-sidesing it the entire time, then releasing a half hearted press release the day after as damage control. Such a transparently obvious agenda that had to get “approved” before posting, it’s painful.

but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal.

Words in my mouth, not relevant. I absolutely think Netanyahu is a war criminal and should be called as much, but we aren’t talking about him right now are we? Just had to make stuff up that I didn’t say.

You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

Correct, but he called them out on it and actively rejected any of their support.. Stein has made no such public rejection of their support. Also, maybe this should make you think really long and hard about why Russia might also want to support Stein and Trump this time around?

No offense, but this thread is over, because I am not going to waste any more time arguing with a bad-faith brick wall who is only here to spread misinformation. The outlined points above are for everyone else on the Fediverse. Have a nice work week!

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https://www.wsj.com/video/obama-medvedev-hot-mic-gaffe/5F7CF09D-CFD5-4805-A72C-3378D5F8371E

-13 points

12 days ago

Again your desperation is about painting pictures without evidence. However, you seem to forget things like this:

Or Obama’s controversial 2008 trips to Israel & Berlin where he not only did he discuss US policy, but he was there to get the support of the government & its people for his policy proposals.

Here we have a picture of Obama meeting with the Israeli President in Jerusalem on 07/23/2008 prior to becoming President.

Oh, look, here Obama is standing next to a war criminal on July 23, 2008:

Now had you actually read the Logan Act and had a clue about anything, you’d know that the Logan Act is specifically about prohibiting private citizens from conducting foreign policy and is rarely enforced unless someone is trying to substantially influence foreign policy against the current US administration’s stance.

I see where you’re coming from though. If you demand a third-party presidential candidate call someone a war criminal then they must do on your timeline cause you have much more experience than an actual presidential candidate about how they can best achieve future negotiations, but when the President you elected won’t call Netanyahu a war criminal then it doesn’t really matter to you that much, especially considering that you want to get the campaign/party re-elected that has reassured Netanyahu that they’ll keep sending money for genocide.

I see you want to run away now… maybe Kamala HQ is calling you right now saying their pro-genocide statements aren’t doing as well as they hoped and them gushing over Dick Cheney’s support didn’t get the positive reaction they had hoped. I wonder if they’ve figured out that their commitment to Netanyahu isn’t a good choice considering he’s working against the Democrats.

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