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Lemmy: Fuck cars!

Lemmy: Fuck the police!

Lemmy, when someone sabotages the most viable alternative to traffic stops to prevent people from speeding: Yes very good. This is good for society.

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The most viable alternative to traffic stops is a narrow chicane with solid bollards on either side, although oher traffic calming devices are available.

Traffic cameras exist to generate revenue, not to make the streets safer. Intersections with red light cameras almost always have shorter yellow lights, to increase revenue while making the intersection less safe.

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No. Traffic cameras in your area are there to generate revenue.

The camera being covered here is not at an intersection so your offtopic comment about revenue is irrelevant. This is a camera on a stretch of road where drivers usually speed, the cameras are painted bright yellow to make them obvious and do a far better job of getting people to slow for hazardous corners than a sign ever did.

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Traffic Cameras can and do reduce speeding if implemented properly

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They are less effective than traffic calming.

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What is “implemented properly” and how often does it happen?

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In California the duration of yellow is determined by a formula incorporating the roads speed limit. If yellow light duration is less than the formula would set, the traffic ticket is dismissed. I’m guessing most states have a similar law.

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Yes, and and those laws are frequently violated to farm more tickets.

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31 points

Source on speeding cameras working for anything other than revenue generation?

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If that were the case, they would be hidden.

They are a deterrent for speeding most of all.

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The ones around here, everyone just slows down getting to that intersection, and then picks up speed again after crossing through

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In the UK (Where the op picture is) the police cannot collect the revenue from cameras and other fines. It all goes to the gov so the cops have zero financial incentive to install speed cameras.

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8 points

money goes to the government

cops get their money from the government

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More crashes and deaths means less cars and people.

Double win for the environment.

Environmentalists should be encouraging speeding and drink driving.

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How is this not “fuck the police” it’s a camera, controlled by the police, to surveil people.

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It only surveils idiots who are speeding.

Why is this not fuvk people who put pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers in danger

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How do cameras make any difference?

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I dunno if you’ve tried, but I’m here to tell ya, cobble stone streets will absolutely stop speeding really quick.

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Nope, just observed it on this weekend on a cobble stone street in very bad condition. It was a 30 km/h zone and other drivers where more about 50.

While I, who only had a driver’s license for 3 months, tried not to break the suspension of my car (obviously unfounded).

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So it doesn’t work because your sample size = 1?

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Traffic cameras ARE the police…

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Speed traps are just a tool to further monetize and rent seek car culture in the absence of public transit.

You can, in fact, hate both cars and infrastructure that exists solely to make using a car more expensive.

the most viable alternative to traffic stops

I have never heard of a town that reduced the size of its police force after installing a speed trap.

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They do not exist solely to collect revenue, although they certainly do that as well. They have been proven time and again to reduce speeding and fatalities, as other commenters in this thread have pointed out. As far as using traffic cameras to reduce police forces, I haven’t been able to find that exactly, but there are plenty of examples of deploying traffic cameras to work around a shortage of officers which works out to the same thing.

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You know what else would reduce police forces? Eliminating car traffic entirely.

Cops spend the most time on ordinary traffic stops.

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Shitposts!? On MY shitposting community!?? It’s more likely than you think!

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13 points

Lemmy users can believe in different things. We need differing opinions or it just stifles a website.

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LaLuzDelSol (on Lemmy): thinks Lemmy is one person

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Why do I keep talking to myself and contradicting every other thing I say?

(Taking this to its logical conclusion, in case I forget why I wrote this when I read it later and feel like arguing with myself about it)

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I generalize ofc but those are definitely the prevailing viewpoints, which seem contradictory.

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Better rule: when someone sabotaged surveillance state infrastructure, don’t post footage of them doing it

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Lemmy try not to post crimes challenge - impossible. Granted, as far as crimes go, this one seems innocuous enough, but still.

I’ve been told repeatedly on c/piracy that lemmy is just too small to attract the attention of law enforcement and three-letter agencies

Paradoxically, I’ve also been told that lemmy is rife with state-sponsored troll farms, so…?

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Those are different kinds of lemmings

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Narrowing roads and making them less straight also lowers speeding

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For reasonable people yes, but those that go 30km/h over the speed limit every time don’t care and will always drive as fast as possible in those sections. I once met a guy who claimed to know down to the exact last km/h how fast he could drive until the car lost control in every single curve of a quite curvy road segment. Is it save to drive like that? Absolutely fucking not. Does he car(e)? Also absolutely fucking not.

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People like that are gonna cause accidents anyways.

Studies have shown that accidents are more likely to be severe/fatal on wide, straight roads.

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Speed cameras also won’t stop someone like that. Though they might take nice pictures of the wreck.

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