Comment by ssm@lemmy.sdf.org on Will Linux’s New run0 Command Run sudo Out of Town?

No, it’ll just be yet another pile of bloat that’ll separate IBM distros and their followers (rhel, fedora, centos, debian, arch) from the rest (alpine, void, gentoo, devuan, *BSD).

Wait Arch and Debian are owned by IBM? It sounds like one insane piece of conspiracy tbh.

Nah, I’m just referring to IBM’s acquisition of redhat. I’ve been referring to redhat as IBM in kind.

And neither Arch, nor Ubuntu, nor Debian, nor OpenSUSE, nor any other distro using systemd belongs to IBM.

systemd has nothing to do with any corporation doing bad stuff to our Linux.

It is just newer software, doing more things more easily.

Sure, the centralization is pretty damn bad. But for example replacing sudo is needed.

But for example replacing sudo is needed.

There’s plenty of 100-loc tools for that already. And doas, who has most of sudo’s server-features, is not much bigger.

And they all work even without systemd or services.

But for example replacing sudo is needed.

Seriously asking: what’s wrong with Sudo? And aren’t there already loads of alternatives?

I suppose doas is a pretty great alternative.

Smaller code is often good, but not always.

systemd nightmare needs to end. Too many broken garbage from malicious actors within the opensource community.

Just as an experiment, get every distro to have at least 2 or 3 SysVInit / runit / rc.init alternatives, and you will see a MASS Migration back to SysVInit. Bash/shell script init functions were really dead simple and almost unbreakable/hackerproof.

Systemd really needs to be thrown in the garbage dumps of history so we can finally have a UNIX-like boot back.

As someone who writes bash scripts, fuck no, this is a terrible language and it shouldn’t be used for anything more complex than sticking two programs together.

Also, parallelism goes right out of the window.

Maybe you’d convince me with a real programming language.

If systemd is as bad as you claim why did nearly every distro switch to it?

that’s some high ammount of copium from someone that never made a distro

And neither Arch, nor Ubuntu, nor Debian, nor OpenSUSE, nor any other distro using systemd belongs to IBM.

Where did I say they belong to IBM?

Sure, the centralization is pretty damn bad. But for example replacing sudo is needed.

We already have doas, which is such a simple codebase I’d have a hard time imagining it contains a bug that leads to setuid being a problem. run0’s codebase size on the other hand…

Eeeh, if anything, systemd is Microsoft’s contribution.

/s sort of

Btw can RH as the biggest contributor to systemd make it paid like it did with RHEL? Then it’s going to be the death of the free and independent Linux desktop for quite a while.

Don’t spread lies, misinformation and/or FUD.

Btw can RH as the biggest contributor to systemd make it paid like it did with RHEL?

It’s not. They’ve only made it harder for other parties to freely benefit from RHEL’s hard work at the expense of RHEL.

Don’t spread lies, misinformation and/or FUD.

Uhm what? I asked a question bruh.

They’ve only made it harder for other parties to freely benefit from RHEL’s hard work

True but they still can find something to hurt everyone. Not like I think it will happen but it is a problem with centralization and a company being behind a big and important product.

If IBM makes redhat do something that greedy and stupid (it’d be more likely to happen with a distribution like fedora or centos than userland components), we have plenty of existing infrastructure to fall back on.

(it’d be more likely to happen with a distribution like fedora or centos than userland components

I mean, if they make an actual workstation distro and kill systemd’s real FOSS nature, everyone else will have to spend some time rebuilding their distros with other init systems. That’ll be quite a sabotage.

RedHat is not restricting access to any upstream project. They package things in extremely stable form, which means they need to manage like all the software themselves and do tons of backports, as normally software just releases new versions.

They restrict access to these packages.

So yes, their 5 years old systemd with backported security fixes may be restricted. But not the normal systemd you can install anywhere.

No, it’s licensed under the LGPL, which means source code can be freely distributed and distros would continue to package it for free no matter how hard Redhat tried to paywall it.

You are not wrong. IBM management paralleled in the same cash-grab and exit C-suite functions that has consumed Redhat. That is why the merger happened.

Soon, Purple Hat should be charging for systemd and hopefully other corpos and organizations will move back to sanity.

Soon, Purple Hat should be charging for systemd and hopefully other corpos and organizations will move back to sanity.

From systemd licenses readme:

Unless otherwise noted, the systemd project sources are licensed under the terms and conditions of LGPL-2.1-or-later (GNU Lesser General Public License v2.1 or later).

New sources that cannot be distributed under LGPL-2.1-or-later will no longer be accepted for inclusion in the systemd project to maintain license uniformity.

I can understand critism of systemd for its tools only working with itself and not with any other Unix tools. But it’s absolutely a conspiracy theory to think they’d want to charge for systemd. Though I do agree that if someone was charging for systemd (which they can’t because its open source), open source alternatives would pop up.

How is RH related to Arch lol? By having GNU core utils?

Arch ships redhat userland (systemd) and doesn’t support alternative userlands; you have to go to artix for that.

For clarity, ~~because the obnoxious ones out there didn’t get it,~~ this refers to how Arch, Debian, Fedora and most other distros just default to systemd and hence can (and probably will) make use of run0. While, on the other hand, distros like Alpine, Artix, Devuan, Void and others (including *BSD-systems) will not. For distros with no defaults (e.g. Gentoo), the user gets to decide.

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