The “Uncommitted” movement seeking a change in the Democratic Party’s approach to the war in Gaza on Thursday announced it is not ready to support Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris — while urging voters not to back Republican nominee Donald Trump or third-party candidates who could help Trump win the November election.
The “Uncommitted” group “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing,” the statement continues. Additionally, the group is “not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system.”
The huge mistake you make in the freedom to vote is that people are free to vote for WHATEVER REASONS THEY WANT TO.
No matter how many times you say it, if I vote for the green party, I am not voting for the republican party.
I’m telling you this because your rhetoric is doing the opposite of what you think it is. Putting third party voters on the defensive, and again avoiding any conversation about why they would vote third party in the first place, is an awful way to change someone’s mind.
Calling people Russian shills or saying they don’t care what happens to the country doesnt help either.
I haven’t called anyone a Russian Shill, sounds like a guilty conscience. And again, nobody is forcing you to vote in any particular way, you absolutely CAN vote however you want, for whatever reason you want, but there are consequences. You could vote for Jill Stein, you could vote for your neighbor’s cat. Both have the same chances of winning the election, and both are another vote Trump doesn’t have to worry about overcoming in his effort to win. No matter how hard third parties try, none of them will ever, ever get more votes in a presidential election than the big two, and the more people you sway to your side, the fewer votes the main candidate you otherwise most agree with will get. Welcome to First Past the Post voting, nobody likes it but it’s the system we have. If you want third party candidates to stand a shred of a chance, you have to change the system of voting, which would be ideal.
To be clear, I completely understand WHY someone would want to vote third party. The thing is, that literally doesn’t matter. Only the result matters. Like you said, people can vote how they want for whatever reason they want, but they still only get one vote. Either your vote will contribute to Trump not winning, or it won’t. Nobody said your third party vote is a vote for Republicans, but it’s not making their barrier to victory any more difficult, they’re already guaranteed to beat any third party opponent as it is.
If you don’t care about that, and you just really really want to stage your protest and hope that Mr. Worst Case Scenario still loses, that’s on you.
Okay so how about this, you tell me when in allowed to vote for the candidate I like best. Hows that? This elections too close right? How about next one? Do I get to vote how I want then? Or will democracy be at stake yet again, like it always is.
Maybe if you spent as much time trying to convince people its a good thing to vote and that they can vote however they’d like to instead of attempting to discourage third party voters from voting at all, you’d actually be helping the democrats win.
Remind me which group is larger, americans who don’t vote or green party members? Maybe your focus is in the wrong place, and maybe the democrats are only throwing the green party under the bus so they don’t have to disagree with green party policies that would be wildly popular with the voting public.
The republicans are psychopaths but the democrats are manipulative at best most of the time. Some like it but it turns others off of the party too.
I’m honestly starting to wonder if you’re just not a native English speaker and this is purely a breakdown in communication, so I’m going to try to keep this as simple as I can. Please tell me if you just don’t understand any of these points.
You are allowed to vote for whoever you want. Nobody is going to FORCE you to vote one way or another.
Attempting to persuade you to vote in a particular way, without threats of retaliation for refusing to do so, is not force.
Having to face the consequences of the result of the election is not force.
I am able to care about more than one thing. Being a part of this conversation doesn’t mean that I am not also intent on convincing more people to vote. You don’t take up much of my time, interest, or attention, I can do other things too.
Third party voters are already voters. They are already going to vote, it is only a question of who they will vote for.
Green Party voters have more in common with Democrats than they do with Republicans. That means the Green Party is more likely to attract Democrat voters than they are to attract Republican voters. This is why a bigger Green Party vote turnout means more people who would have otherwise voted Democrat, didn’t. That is what people call the Spoiler effect when talking about the Green Party, and third parties in general. While the Green Party is all but completely incapable of actually winning an election, it pulls more votes away from Democrats than it does Republicans, thus a more successful Green Party campaign means a more likely Republican victory. This is why Ranked Choice voting would allow Third Parties a chance to win, people could vote for them without making their most hated choice more likely to win.
Again, you are ALLOWED to vote for whoever you want. If you’re going to vote third party, you are wasting your time, but you are allowed. If you want Third Party candidates to have any chance of ever winning, we need to change away from the First Past the Post voting system. You could also try campaigning to get your positions and ideas out into the public consciousness before the General Election, rather than just surfacing in time to swing results toward Republicans.
