“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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-43 points

Man, things have gotten that bad huh. What a sentence.

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The problem is that “support genocide” is being used overly broadly.

The stated policy of the Biden/Harris administration is that Israel has a right to defend itself.

Surprise! They do. Every sovereign nation has that right.

As a result of that stated policy, Biden and Harris both support providing weapons and funding for the continual defense of Israel.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

So follow me here:

  1. Israel has a right to defend itself.
  2. The US will support that defense.

Where it breaks down is Bibi and Likud taking that defensive support and directing it into the Genocide.

That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

Trump’s stated policy is that Israel needs to kill everyone quicker.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

“They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

Only one of these two policies is pro-genocide, Trumps.

Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

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So is your argument that the Biden/Harris administration is blind, or stupid?

If I give my kid an AR-15 and they shoot up a school, I may or may not be culpable.

But if I hand them another AR after the first shooting, they kill again, and then I give them another, and another, and keep handing them weapons for months, and theres a pile of 15,000 dead children, then I am definitely culpable.

It doesn’t matter how many times I tell the kid “this AR is for defense only”.

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Oh, not at all, they know very well what they’re doing.

The unwavering support of Israel is due to two factors:

  1. The undue and oversized influence the Pro-Israel lobby has on American politics:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05

  1. The Evangelical opinion that we need to support Israel so Jeebus can come back:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/truth-many-evangelical-christians-support-israel-rcna121481

As with all good politics, it has nothing to do with “right” or “wrong”, it’s all about “money” and “power”. That’s it.

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Every sovereign nation has that right.

Per the UN and international law and occupying country can NOT claim self defense

Biden/Harris providing unlimited weapons and money is allowing Israel to finish the job before January 2025.

Turning a blind eye and genocide denial because it’s team blue committing it is weird and inhumane

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  1. It’s not going to be finished by January.

  2. Israel doesn’t need our help to shoot little kids in the chest and head. Bullets are cheap.

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That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

This is not a good argument. They’re not infants, they have agency and the ability to perceive the impacts of their actions.

Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

Eh, it certainly means they’re not proactively anti-genocide.

But more importantly it’s not going to move someone uncomfortable with the Democratic material support for the genocide a single iota closer to accepting that there is still a better candidate both for Palestine and for all the aspects where they’re actually good, not just not as a bad.

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They do have the ability to percieve the results of their actions, and they know if they cut Israel loose, they lose the election.

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This shit is so disjointed. Its not a genocide, its only a genocide because the countrys leaders want it to be, Biden is only arming a genocide because those leaders want to use the weapons for genocide. You’re stuck, man, you cant get past any of the uncomfortable truths. You cant make an argument that its not a genocide. You cant make an argument that our government is not arming and funding that genocide. You cant make an argument that youre not supporting a candidate that is likely to continue to arm and fund that genocide.

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🌍🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

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I dont recall any other election where people are saying ‘look, you cant expect to have candidates that dont support genocide’

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You must be pretty young then.

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Yeah they have gotten that bad. I’m glad that you’ve finally decided to accept that. That’s the first step.

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Nah im not gonna accept genocide as a given

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