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-22 points

i never said it was, and I’m sure your son will be fine.

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Yes, you did. In approximately the same way that All Lives Matter was just a dog-whistley way of saying “No they don’t” to Black Lives Matter.

When someone says I suffer from THING, responding with other people suffer too as your primary message is always a dismissal of the person’s suffering.

If you want to avoid the inferred message, include an affirmative message of acknowledgement, like “nobody should suffer like that.”

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If we’re going to compare this to BLM then you said something amongst the lines of “White people have to grow up in a world where everyone hates them.” and I responded “Actually, black people have had it worse.”

If you are a cis white straight man, you are not oppressed. Stop trying to be.

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7 points

I’ve had the cops called on me for watching my nephew at the park.

Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck.

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If you are a cis white straight man, you are not oppressed. Stop trying to be.

The entire model you are operating on has it’s roots in Marxist class conflict. Broadly the problem with that is that it was created in terms of economic class, and economic class is where it works best (or possibly at all). It can be shoehorned into other dynamics, but it only really works to the degree that that dynamic is also a proxy for economic class.

For example, it works passably well for race in the US because broadly speaking race is a decent proxy for economic class in 21st century America, though less of one than it used to be. It’s a bad fit for sex or gender precisely because those things do not function as a proxy for economic class at all.

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The plane rules of rhetoric do not change simply because a thing is not oppression. I’m just a rando adding comment to down vote to express what I think was done wrong.

Thosen two quotes are an excellent example of my principle, actually. The second one when given as a response to the first carries all the factionalist racism and denial of your last line.

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15 points

Yeah you are. Real nice that you expect us to raise a generation of boys to have to see themselves as monsters.

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It’s like you’re here just to sully the debate with bad faith responses.

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No one is telling boys that they are monsters.

It is helpful that they know there are humans in the world who behave like monsters, and that some of them are men who target people who they perceive to be weaker than themselves.

So children, women, other men who are either physically smaller or in a lower position of power. That’s what they need to know. So they can protect themselves, and help stop others from becoming someone else’s monster if the opportunity arises.

Doing things like speaking out against sexual harassment, and calling out bullying behavior, this is everyone’s responsibility btw. Not just men’s and boys, but this is what needs to be taught so world can suck less.

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But we only ever talk about boys being the problem. Half the comments here are about how dangerous men are.

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No one is asking them to see themselves as monsters? You’re creating a problem where there isn’t one.

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5 points

What is a child supposed to pull from the bear vs man type of discussions?

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