Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.

One of those two passengers hit by the cops’ bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

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Ahh yes. Nothing like killing a perp and a few bystanders for a few dollars’ worth of fare. USA! USA!

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They stopped him for a few dollars’ worth of fare.
They shot him for charging at them with a knife.

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The uniformed duo followed the alleged fare-beater up the stairs to the elevated L train platform around 3 p.m., when they gave him commands to stop and turn around. Maddrey said during a verbal altercation, they “became aware of a knife.”

Body-worn camera footage, which Maddrey said he reviewed before the press conference, allegedly showed the man make a verbal threat to the officers. He told the cops, “I’m going to kill you if you don’t stop following me,” the chief said.

As the encounter continued to escalate, a northbound L train pulled into the station. The train cars opened and the man jumped inside, according to police.

Where is this knife charge mentioned?

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Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.

it was the next sentence from what you copied lol

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He was charging… away… with his knife…

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We’ll see if that story pans out, I’m sure the body cam footage is coming any minute…

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The statement by the Department Chief literally references that there is body cam footage, that is the source of information for the statement.

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I know it’s like that by headline, but they repeatedly tried to subdue him and eventually he charged at them with a knife after having said “I’ll kill you”. I don’t know I would hesitate to stop him without my gun if he suddenly ran at me with a knife. I’m just thinking survival, instinctively, and not about bystanders around me in that moment.

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Ok, so these people are too incompetent to win a 4v1 against an untrained opponent? Is this better somehow?

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I’m just thinking survival, instinctively, and not about bystanders around me in that moment.

Kind of fair point for yourself.

However I expect more of a trained professional who has repeated firarms training. They should be sesitized to controlling their direction of fire even in an emergency.

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That’s not even the point. The training should have taught them how to de-escalate the situation, or even let it go. They transformed a 3$ fare skipped into a massacre, how’s that normal?

It’s 3$, if he has a knife, just let him go, it’s not worth the risk. You’ll track him down later and get him without killing him, passerbys and other cops.

You don’t need to drop a nuke because there’s a pickpocketer somewhere in the city

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It really is bizarre how many people seem to just accept lower standards for police than for random Joe gun owner off the street. It’s not confusing though; it’s just another facet of the great team sport of society for many people.

If we’re supposed to value and respect our police, maybe we should actually expect good things from them!

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If a guy doesn’t pay $3, has a knife and threatens the police -> mental problem. The answer isn’t shooting but handling the situation and deescalating.

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I think if people had even more guns this could have been avoided. What if there was a six year old with a 22 there to respond to the gunshots with some of his own? maybe less people would be dead.

Guns make everyone way safer. We need to start providing them in utero.

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57 points

How dare you politicize gun violence while a police officer is injured!

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You mean the one that shot the other people? Officer mental health is important! Someone think of the shooter!!

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3 points

Abortions are prebirth, so should guns

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Why stop at guns? Everyone should have access to portable WMDs to keep the world safe.

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5 points

Hey, we have to draw the line somewhere. Let’s stop at a gigaton.

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Right, or the bystander that got shot in the head could have returned fire, if only he were armed

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Take the guns from the police and give them to the embryos. I think you’re on to something here.

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What if the guns got guns

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They shot because the guy charged at them with a knife, not because of the fare. OP’s thread title is deliberately misleading, in a desperate attempt to twist this into ACAB fuel.

Any bystander injuries are to be blamed on the aggressor Mr. Knifey.

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The knife that mysteriously doesn’t show up on any footage and couldn’t be located after the fact?

I know better than to believe police lies. It’s all they do. ACAB, no exceptions.

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There’s a still image of the police body cam here which shows the knife.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-shooting-sutter-ave-subway-station-brooklyn/

Edit 4 days later: And now we have the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaAraFPzEo

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Especially the NYPD

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Until cops prove themselves trustworthy, I will assume they’re lying. They have a long way to go.

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$1000 says there is no amount of examples of trustworthiness you could be shown that would change your mind, just admit what you are, don’t be prejudiced and too much of a wimp to admit it.

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They chased someone into a train over 3 dollars. There is now hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills, possibly over a million. Because someone “stole” a 3 dollar fare.

How the police react to stuff is absolutely up for debate. This is why we stopped doing car chases.

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If someone runs a red light, and a cop tries to pull them over to give them a ticket, and instead the guy jumps out of the car and tries to attack the cop with a knife and gets shot in self-defense, it is absolutely not accurate to frame that as “cop shot that guy for running a red light”.

But this is what exactly the OP is trying to do. And that’s bullshit.

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This has been an ongoing problem in the city. Fuckin Mayor Officer Landlord has been dumping millions into multiple cops sitting on platforms, on their phones, watching for people jumping the 2.90 fare. Which they just raised from 2.70. They’re more than spending what they’re hypothetically losing on fare jumpers. Neoliberal capitalist bullshit in action.

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Meanwhile in Albuquerque we’ve made buses free because the fare infrastructure costs more than to run the buses.

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