Hmmm.
Iβd phrase it differently. Unrealistic expectations of the opposite sex [^1] exist by both sexes, but that there outcomes for women when the stereotypes of men hold true are often more dangerous. One is saying it isnβt sexist; the other is saying that thereβs a vast difference in risk. This becomes one of those tautological arguments where women canβt be sexist because sexism is redefined to mean βit can only be sexist if itβs men doing it.β
The βWould you rather a bear orβ¦β question could be reused in a very uncomfortable way. You could swap men with a group of yoing, black, inner city men and rural white men for women. But instead of demonstrating that men are the issue and women the victims, suddenly itβd be black men who are the victims and rural white men the problem. And, yet, the fear and the risk of confirmation of stereotypes is the same - only in this case, believing those stereotypes makes people racist.
These sorts of tautologies - only whites can be racist, only men can be sexist - is sloppy, lazy, and dangerous, because it prevents introspection and always externalizes blame. Iβm not saying that you are arguing a tautology, but thatβs the essence of this thread: minimizing sexism against men in the basis that it canβt be sexism if rape isnβt involved. Which is exactly how this thread went, isnβt it?
I want to reiterate that I agree that thereβs a false equivalency; consequences for women can be higher. My argument is that it doesnβt make it not sexism to broadly brush all men with a demeaning funny little tweet.
Also: there should be a Godwinβs Law for rape. The conversation was about household stereotypes. That was a bit of a leap.
Also: there should be a Godwinβs Law for rape. The conversation was about household stereotypes. That was a bit of a leap.
Iβll leave this here.
Across their lifetime, 1 in 3 women, around 736 million, are subjected to physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner or sexual violence from a non-partner β a number that has remained largely unchanged over the past decade.
In the US itβs 1 in 6 women (and 1 und 33 men).
https://rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
And last but bit least:
Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.
https://www.humboldt.edu/supporting-survivors/educational-resources/statistics
So no, jumping to rape is not a leap. The fear of sexual violence is part of beeing a women. I donβt know a single women that wasnβt in a situation that did or did almost resulted in sexual violence.
Itβs not part of beeing a men. I have never in my life feared about sexual violence and I share that with the vast majority of men.
In the US itβs 1 in 6 women (and 1 und 33 men).
Iβm surprised itβs dropped. The statistic used to be 1 in 4.
So no, jumping to rape is not a leap
Yeah, it is. The conversation was about gender roles, until you brought in rape.
Yeah, it is. The conversation was about gender roles, until you brought in rape.
Was it tough?
Iβd phrase it differently. Unrealistic expectations of the opposite sex [^1] exist by both sexes, but that there outcomes for women when the stereotypes of men hold true are often more dangerous. One is saying it isnβt sexist; the other is saying that thereβs a vast difference in risk.
Then rape isnβt part of the risk you were talking about here?
The βWould you rather a bear orβ¦β question could be reused in a very uncomfortable way. You could swap men with a group of yoing, black, inner city men and rural white men for women. But instead of demonstrating that men are the issue and women the victims, suddenly itβd be black men who are the victims and rural white men the problem. And, yet, the fear and the risk of confirmation of stereotypes is the same - only in this case, believing those stereotypes makes people racist.
Fear of rape, among others. Which I wanted to show is backed by the data.