"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that ‘some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest’ of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called ‘social fascists.’

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, Thälmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitler’s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

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Slow motion is better than no motion.

It’s pointless to argue over who is a ‘real’ Socialist. I can come up with arguments about anyone you care to name to prove they weren’t ‘real’ Socialists. What are the policies that actually improve people’s lives?

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FDR was okay, then his safety nets were stripped away. They were only ever temporary concessions because Capitalists were always the ones in control, and they still are. In this manner, it was eventually no motion.

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Almost as if the point of socialism is to strip away the the means of production from the capitalists in order to install a dictatorship of the proletariat, and not simply apply social safety-net band-aids so that capitalism can continue to function.

American liberals are so exhausting in their selective application of definitions.

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100%, I’m trying to get them to come to that conclusion on “their own.”

American liberals are so exhausting in their selective application of definitions.

Would make things a lot easier, lol

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then his safety nets were stripped away.

Almost as if it’s important to get out and vote in every election.

Ronald Reagan sabotaged Jimmy Carter’s Iran policy and squeaked in with the help of spoiler John Anderson.

You yourself said it; there were good policies in place, the Right hated them, and used a lot of dirty tricks to get rid of the good policies.

Having good government is like controlling diabetes; you have to be vigilant all the time.

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Jesus christ, that’s just not what socialism is.

There’s a reason why social-democrats are castigated in communist circles. Social-democratic policy is always inevitably eroded because social safety nets don’t solve the fundamental contradiction of capitalism. It isn’t a matter of ‘getting out the vote’

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No, I fundamentally disagree with your entire view of historical development, ie the why behind everything.

History is a progression of material conditions, not people and ideas, not Great Individuals making Big Moves. Social Democracy came at a time when the Soviet Union was rising, and Capitalists within America feared similar uprisings in America, compounded by the Great Depression. Concessions were allowed in that context, temporarily.

Neoliberalism came later, after WWII, during the height of the Cold War. It was a way to further seek profits in the Global South.

Fascism is rising now because Capitalism is undoubtedly in decline, and is decaying further.

Material Conditions drive the ideas that drive the masses that drive what’s salient, not random Great People doing everything.

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