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138 points

It’s not like physical media makes any difference anyway these days.

Actual disk often gets just a glorified installer, and even if it includes the entire game you’re likely to have to activate it online anyway.

The “own your games” ship has sailed long ago, unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups.

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unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups

Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer. I try to buy games there instead of Steam, purely for this reason.

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37 points

Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer.

Note that this is a major selling point for GOG and available on most of their library, but unlike their early days, not everything is DRM-free.

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15 points

Piracy is the only way, clearly capitalism doesn’t give and inch.

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29 points

The difference is the price of buying discs vs. buying from a digital store that has no competitors.

I’ve bought almost exclusively second-hand discs for my PS5, because they’re like half the price for the exact same content.

Sadly it’ll probably be just a matter of time before those will be phased out as well, one way or another.

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5 points

Steam keys can be found dramatically cheaper than all of that.

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10 points

They can, difference is a vast majority of people don’t want to buy/build a PC, or deal with a PC setup in general, they just want to press one button to make it work and sit on the couch. So the easy option for them is buying a console, it’s plug and play, while a PC requires quite some setup.

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1 point

I got the disc version for used games too, but the sad truth is that where I live there isn’t really a market for used games.

Or, well, there is, but the prices on used discs are often barely below retail price, if you can even find a copy.

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1 point

If you wait for a good sale, digital is sometimes cheap or cheaper. I just go with whatever is cheapest at any given moment.

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13 points

I remember thinking it was bs when half life 2 required a steam account and now everyone loves it.

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22 points

For better or worse, the landscape has shifted since then. I can’t imagine people love Steam for being Steam, but rather for being the most consumer-friendly platform on PC.

Refunds? No questions asked if it’s within 2 weeks and 2 hours of playtime.

User reviews and ratings? Yes, and even comments on those reviews.

Community content? Steam discussions, guides, art, etc. Even mods with the workshop.

Bribes development studios for exclusivity deals? Nope! Devs can release games wherever the fuck they want.

Platform support? PC. Not just Windows, but going out of their way to make Linux a first class citizen. They even support Crapple despite its miniscule market share among PC gamers.

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4 points

You’re right. But, all this good stuff is to obfuscate the central fact that you don’t own the property you bought. Sure, Valve has claimed that should they go away, as their last act, they’ll provide the ability for users to own their purchases, but who actually believes them?

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12 points

For $700 they could at least throw in a 4k Blu-ray player.

Then again, I ponied up extra for the disc version of the original ps5 for that exact reason, only to find out the media player software is a giant piece of garbage that was clearly given no effort. So I can’t say I’m too surprised.

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4 points

Sony doesn’t put much effort into most things.

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8 points

I’m glad some companies are going full media and the younger Gen is buying physical media. It’s creating a counter culture that smart companies are using to their advantage.

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5 points

It does if you rent

I’ve been using gamefly for a while, I can’t rent digital only games

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1 point

Sure you can. wink wink 🏴‍☠️

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4 points

Thing is, that’s not how it works on PlayStation. On PS5 you can download and play games without ever connecting to wifi. The whole glorified installer is mostly an Xbox thing ever since the XB1. I’d know since I own both and usually get discs to play my games.

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3 points

Is it possible for modern games to fit on a disk?

I think it would be an interesting change if brand new games had a hard limit on file size so they can fit on and play from an actual disk.

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18 points

Absolutely. It just depends a lot on the game of course. A blueray disk can contain over 100 GB. But a game could be split over several disks too. It was rather common to do that with CDs on the original PlayStation.

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4 points

A lot of Xbox 360 games came on multiple discs

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2 points

The issue isn’t the game engine, it’s the texture files.

If you don’t care what it looks like, you cut 80-90% or more from any modern game subbing low quality textures.

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1 point

They still have to install.

Disks are too slow.

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7 points

If they use a good, 12X bluray drive, it will be quicker to install from a disk than to download it unless you’re lucky enough to have a good fiber internet connection. Even then, the servers you download from will often be overloaded and slow on release day.

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1 point

Maybe someone could do the numbers and see if a memory (USB, SD*, …) can be cheaper than a BR for this case.

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2 points

unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups

or you straight up pirate it.

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1 point

There’s not a lot of brave souls doing this as a passionate hobby any longer. Now it’s for the clout, to inject malware, or to receive monetary donations. Or all three!

I hope I am wrong, and we can get back to the passionate hobby, but it’s looking kinda grim from my point of view.

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its always been for the clout in the scene. but ive been pirating shit for a couple of decades now, no malware so far.

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This in my opinion is one of the valid use cases of a blockchain/NFTs: they provide provable ownership of digital goods. This means that if implemented, in the future we could actually own games music movies ebooks etc. The only remaining step would be a decentralized torrent-like system that allows the users to download the licensed content that they own via their nft.

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7 points

How would that support “First Sale Doctrine”?

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5 points

I mean, I can actually own a bunch of stuff as long as it doesn’t have some sort of proprietary DRM bullshit attached to it.

The problem isn’t that there’s no way to obtain media in a non-bullshit way. The problem is that distributors don’t want to provide media in a non-bullshit way.

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3 points

Sure, you can still own digital media, but you can’t sell or trade it like you can with a physical copy.

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If you can’t modify it, sell it or know what the game software is even doing then calling that “ownership” would be rather lacking. I mean in terms of traditional ownership, not the modern definition: “page 69 of the EULA defines “purchasing” (the software) as a limited, non-transferable lease which can stop working at any time due to dependency on a proprietary server code we will never share I fucked your mom”.

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You could sell the NFT and lose access to the game just like a disc

You wouldn’t be able to modify it as the nft would just allow you to download (edit and run) the game.

Edit: But allowing people to freely resale their digital copies would be a big win for people. No gatekeepers just like with discs

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3 points

How would an NFT help in any way? We’re not lacking the means to prove you bought the game. We’re lacking companies willing to sell you games and laws that prevent companies from saying “buy” when they mean “rent”. If we got to a place where torrenting software you’ve bought in the past is legal, we don’t need NFTs to accomplish it…

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