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It’s only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.

Oh look… another school shooting today.

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I get your point but that’s not a school shooting. Still terrible though

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The sheriff said a 16-year-old boy, for whom Friday was his first day at Joppatowne High School, shot a 15-year-old classmate in a bathroom. Gahler said it’s believed the victim was struck by a single gunshot.

A student at a high school shoots another student in the school and that’s not a school shooting to you?

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You must have a very narrow definition of school shooting.

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“It’s a tragic day, four days into the school year,” Gahler said at a news conference.

Fucking grim

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There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.

I have almost 20 years of experience working in the public school system. You know those “fortresses”? They’re also for show. Unless you’re literally putting every child through a metal detector individually (which would take way too much time), any student can easily sneak a weapon right in their backpack. Schools simply do not have the time or resources to be checking every individual student every time the metal detector goes off, assuming they have one in the first place. Those bulletproof windows don’t do shit when the shooter is in the building already. And any adult can socially engineer their way to access by simply claiming to be a parent, vendor, substitute teacher, or whatever. I have been to dozens of districts. The number of “fortresses” that could effectively stop a school shooter is exactly zero.

Give me a public school building anywhere in the country, and I’ll show you ten ways that all of your security measures will do exactly nothing. I will bet large sums of money on it.

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Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it’s just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.

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Yeah, I apologize. That came off as more argumentative than I intended. I wholeheartedly agree with you and was just trying to show the absurdity of the suggestion that turning our schools into fortresses would do a damn thing. Not only is it political theater, it’s a logistical, financial, and educational impossibility and any attempt at doing so could be easily thwarted in seconds in about 10 different ways.

I mean for the love of God, a shooter could just it in their car across the street and fire into the schoolyard during recess, or when kids are coming to/leaving school. I don’t care if the school is built like ADX-Florence. You ain’t stopping that. There will always be a bottleneck that can be exploited.

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