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If a dog is excited to see you, and trying their best to chase your hands with their head, is that not a form of the dog giving you consent for pets? Animals to some limited degree can give consent for things like that at least. But most other things, if they can’t give consent then you should assume that you shouldn’t do the thing.

A chicken has eggs for their own reasons. They can’t give consent to give them away, but be realistic - do you really think there’s a chance that a hen would consent to you taking what she believes are going to be her children? They are not yours to take. Why is my position of respecting consent and not exploiting animals absurd, as compared to concluding wholesale that they just can’t give consent and therefor… what? Do we just do whatever we want to them?

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They can’t give consent to give them away, but be realistic - do you really think there’s a chance that a hen would consent to you taking what she believes are going to be her children?

she would need to believe that. i have no evidence that chickens believe their eggs to be their children.

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You don’t need to know what a chicken believes to recognize that their behaviours indicate they do not want others to steal their eggs.

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as far as i know, chickens don’t recognize property claims. they cannot possibly have a moral opposition or even a personal revulsion toward theft.

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Why is my position of respecting consent and not exploiting animals absurd,

i think it’s fine to oppose exploitation. it’s absurd to premise that opposition on consent.

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I wouldn’t say that I premise exploitation on consent. Afterall I’m being exploited at a minimum wage job, and that is something that I more or less consented to.

But in the case of animals, consent has to play a significant role, because a core part of their oppression is the complete absence of their bodily autonomy. There is a great deal of intersectionality between women’s rights and non-human animal’s rights.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Sexual_Politics_of_Meat.html?id=aU28CgAAQBAJ

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I wouldn’t say that I premise exploitation on consent.

i’m saying you premise your opposition to exploitation on consent. and i’m saying that’s absurd.

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