Comment by Soulg@sh.itjust.works on Memes vs Reality

And also a small group of people monopolize power and wealth to oppress those who didn’t

…You’re describing capitalism.

Hmm?

Poverty rates are steadily decreasing in China...

...under every income group.

While homeownership rates have been steadily rising, reaching 90% in 2018

Those are some bold claims to make with nothing to back it up, when in fact reality says otherwise.

A market economy under a socialist state, similar to what the USSR had under the NEP for its first 20 years.

Late 1991, but yep, that’s when inequality skyrocketed, as it was illegally disbanded and the former state sliced up and sold for parts to the highest bidder against the wishes of the public at large, causing roughly 7 million deaths.

For images that don’t list the source in themselves like these I like to put the source in the alt text like this

![https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/65a34c1d-e49d-47b1-bf83-07c344b109d5.png)

I’m usually quite particular about labelling axes, but this graph has both axes partially labled, and while the dates are easily inferred, the meaning of the left axis is in the footer, as is the general explanation.

Incorrect.

Wealth inequality was far lower in the USSR than the Tsarist system before it, the Capitalist system after it, and than western countries. Additionally, Soviet Democracy was extensive, with far more political participation than western countries have.

Read Blackshirts and Reds.

Also, poverty rates are steadily decreasing in China...

...under every income group.

While homeownership rates have been steadily rising, reaching 90% in 2018

I’d also recommend Human Rights In The Soviet Union, Including Comparisons With The U.S.A. by Albert Szymanski

Excellent addition, comrade.

I’ve heard lemmy.ml claim China is not communist, before. I guess they are communist only when it supports your argument.

I’m seeing /u/10_0 from lemmy.ml in this thread trying to argue against socialism, currently. I guess they are anticommunist only when… what was your point again?

Anyone claiming China isn’t socialist is grossly misinformed.

Lemmy.ml isn’t like Lemmygrad or Hexbear, where you are required to be a Leftist, or accept Leftism and want to learn. Lemmy.ml is maintained by Marxist-Leninists and the ML references Marxism-Leninism, but non-Communists use it too.

Yeah, but that excuse is only used when people are criticising communist using China as an example, that’s why I consider China’s status as a communist nation an opinion that lemmy.ml always flip flops on.

And by what metric is China considered a communist nation?

And by what metric is China considered a communist nation?

It’s headed by a Communist Party along the principles of Marxism-Leninism with the goal of using Socialism with Chinese Characteristics to oversee a Market Economy and build up their productive forces to achieve full socialization of the economy.

If you have an hour and genuinely want to know, read China Has Billionaires. It isn’t a fully socialized system, but it does use Central Planning extensively, and the Party is in control of the Bourgeoisie, not the other way around.

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