You seem to think that everything is black and white. Nothing is, it’s all shades of grey. No politician is perfect, No party is perfect. Nothing changes overnight, especially with foreign policy.

The US political two party system is bullshit, but it is what we have to deal with currently. Both of these parties support Israel historically, regardless of whatever propaganda anyone is trying to spin about the current genocide. US foreign policy has backed Israel since it was created, that isn’t going to change overnight. Us foreign policy has also funded and supplied weaponry to many groups we later list as terrorist organizations that target the US. It’s almost like this shit is complicated even if the morality of the situation isn’t.

Your point about genocide is valid, and the current Zionist government in Israel has clearly gone way too far. However, your comments clearly assume everyone here supports that, which obviously isn’t true, and you’re intentionally misrepresenting everyone else in this thread. That’s why you’re getting all this negativity. You’re intentionally turning all of these into strawman arguments and backing those up with other various logical fallacies to try and support your intentionally flawed strawman argument.

There’s definitely a political direction in the US, something hard-leftists don’t get. Here’s a set of fun polls:

• Pew Research
• Gallop
• Yougov

All three links try to answer the painful question of: “How do American voters line up on ideologies?” Gallop finds that America as a whole identifies more Conservative (36%) than Liberal (24%), with another whole 36% saying they are neither Liberal NOR Conservative. The Other Side is divided up into 20% Very Conservative, 49% Conservative, 27% Moderate, and a tiny sliver of Liberal or Very Liberal Republicans (that surprises me all by itself! Where do they find these people?!). We here on the Left count 16% as Very Liberal, 31% as Liberal, and a whopping 45% as Moderate (and another 5% as Conservatives, but we know we have those). Unfortunately, we have to deal with the fact that we live in a country where 7 out of every 20 people say they are neither Left NOR Right and view both parties from a ‘pox on both’ perspective. At least they’re moving to our side because Fascism Bad, amirite? :)

Gallop points out that even as people become more self-identified as liberal on social issues (33% Liberal, 32% Moderate, 32% Conservative), they remain very moderate to conservative on economic issues (23% Liberal, 35% Moderate, 39% Conservative). That’s why Liberals have to focus on social issues because economic issues don’t favour them. 69% of voters in the Democratic Party agree on liberal approaches to social issues, while only 49% favour a conservative approach.

But above all, the most interesting one is the YouGov poll. When people were asked about how their politics was described, 21% said “Moderate” described them well, and another 33% said it described them partially. Conservative got 28% and 25% on the same areas. Progressive only scored 18% and 24% in those areas, and Liberal scored 16% and 24%. Socialist? 7+21%. Left Wing? 11+16%. But they went further. They asked which terms used to describe the respondants, and which terms never described them. Socialist and Left-Wing shared a stat line on that response – 51% of people said these terms NEVER described them, while another 6% said the terms used to describe them. Only Radical (64%) and Anarchist (67%) scored harder on the 'I have never been this).

I’m not sure I agree with the notion that today’s Democrats are Reagan’s Republicans, but as long as you keep in mind that you live in a country that over half of people polled vehemently disagreed with being labelled socialist or left-wing, and tailor your solutions to account for that, while trying to do the best to represent Progressive or Liberal goals, I won’t complain hard about whether or not 2024 Dems would be at home in the 1980 RNC.