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It seems, by the comments, that everyone is quite enjoying all that ai has to offer right now. I think if we phrase the question in a good way, everyone is also quite excited to see the development in the future.

Why is it the hype right now to hate ai? Sure, the brands are pushing their half baked products everywhere, but I think this is a part of the journey. Good products can’t happen without it.

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Why the hate? Because 99% of what’s AI now is actively harming society.

Training and running them consumes enormous amounts of energy, all the IP is within some gigantic monopolistic corporations, these corporations in turn push huge amounts of money into products that are not only bad, but dangerous (MS Recall or X’s porn generator AI), other corporations use AI as excuses to fire thousands of people and letting their core products rot away.

Currently, AI has hardly any positive sides, and those positives are very very narrow. Overall it’s a net negative.

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Training and running them consumes enormous amounts of energy,

Right now, using GPUs and unoptimized chips. Running and building other services like Google Search and YouTube also took enormous amounts of power and still does, though it’s vastly more efficient these days.

all the IP is within some gigantic monopolistic corporations,

This feels like a pretty knee jerk point instead of a well thought out one.

A) the biggest AI players are startups like ChatGPT and Anthropic which have gotten a lot of funding and attention but are neither giant nor monopolistic.

B) of the biggest monopolist companies (Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Meta), only Google and Apple are keeping their research closed, with both Microsoft and Meta publishing their models openly.

these corporations in turn push huge amounts of money into products that are not only bad, but dangerous (MS Recall or X’s porn generator AI),

Literally the vast majority of software developers already use copilot or a similar AI assistant. Bing search is genuinely useful for synthesizing answers and asking plain language questions with sourced answers. People are finding ChatGPT useful or they wouldnt be paying for it. DeepMind has literally discovered novel protein structures that we never knew existed before. And VFX artists like Corridor Crew are using it to make wild videos way faster than they ever were able to before. This feels like youre just cherry picking poor uses.

other corporations use AI as excuses to fire thousands of people and letting their core products rot away.

Capitalism does that with all forms of automation, whether it’s AI based, or just normal, run of the mill, software / machines. It’s how you end up producing the same products with less effort and manual labour. If you want to go back to hand milling flour you’re more than welcome to, otherwise automation is going to continue. The answer to automation lies in the government and social safety nets, not blocking automation technology.

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99%? Really? Where did you get that percentage?

The tech is awesome already and getting developed extremely fast. Sure, there are many negatives, but many might just be growing pains.

On a wider scale : this is THE tech. This is the direction, it’s is inevitable. Of course it’s important how the development happens, there are many nuances to it. What I don’t like is these blanket hate statements against something. Many people are using ai today and benefiting in personal life and business.

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Then where is it?

There’s hardly any application that’s more than a gimmick. ChatGPT is an incompetent liar, Sora and all the image/video generators produce mediocre crap the can’t reasonably controlled, chat bots keep making up stuff, etc. etc.

This tech is done. Why do you think there’s no progress from openai? The tech hit a ceiling. LLMs scaled to their current state very quickly, but each increment used exponentially more compute. There’s not enough compute, not enough training data to get better.

I’m pretty sure, you don’t understand how models work. It’s just magic for you. Just like blockchains, NFTs and VR. None of them changed the world in any meaningful way - just scams.

AI companies very fundamentally don’t make money, and have no way to become profitable in the near future. None of their tech has any business model. OpenAI relies 100% on Microsoft essentially donating azure instances.

Sure, AI has its applications, but not hundreds of billions worth of applications.

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they could ?? not push half baked products ??

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But… but… the shareholders. ☹️

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Yeah, but that’s not really going to happen now is it? It’s fair to criticise brands for doing it, but to hate the tech because of it?

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As a massive car enthusiast ChatGPT is a fucking GODSEND now that Google is completely shit.

I wanted to know what model of transmission was in a car, hours of googling only returned me link after link after link of gearboxes to buy, parts for gearboxes to buy all like 2000 - 2004 make and model. Now for those who dont know, gearboxes are often internally the same with different casings for different manufacturers or use cases, so “How much horsepower can a make and model gearbox support” is a waste of time but “How much power can an Aisin A340e support” gets you the right info.

I asked Chatgpt, and yep. Thats the one.

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please use Bing Copilot instead of ChatGPT for this. it’s the same language model underneath, largely, but the distinction of backing replies with actual sources and citing those sources in a way that allows you to click through and check the information you’re getting is huge for a variety of important reasons.

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Yes! I’ve also got answers for stuff that would be hard to get to today. It’s already a useful tool as is.

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