What is this supposed to tell us? Hamas used these as bases. Why shouldn’t they (both)?
That’s not true, but let’s assume it is. What’s the acceptable child to terrorist death ratio?
It most certainly is true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas
Doesn’t excuse the Israeli administration, but Hamas 100% uses human shields, schools included.
I will need to see concrete evidence that these people were, in fact, members of the terrorist resistance before I believe claims that they were. However, we are currently assuming that all claims of terrorists being present are true for every strike. I would like you to know that I selected these strikes at random.
- This claim states that there were 19 terrorists and 93 total killed at the Al-Tabi’in mosque and school on 08/10/24. Survivors state that most of the casualties were women and children. That means there was a 79.6% civilian casualty rate.
- This claim states that there were 9 confirmed Hamas casualties of 40 killed at a school in the Nuseirat refugee camp on 06/06/24. The casualties were described as children and elderly, and this strike was verified by the source as using US munitions. That means there was a 77.5% civilian casualty rate.
- This source claims that there have been (as of 07/06/24) 343 IDF soldiers killed and 38,000 confirmed Palestinian deaths with Israel claiming 1/3 of deaths are combatants. 66% civilian casualty rate since October 7th.
I will ask again: what is the acceptable child to terrorist death ratio?
Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet…
There’s no where anyone can be that doesn’t have a shit ton of civilians around, and due to the treatment of people who live in Gaza by Israel… A lot of people in Gaza are children.
That’s the whole reason the international community has been saying for almost a year you can’t just flatten everything.
But they keep doing it. Because Israel sees civilian deaths in Gaza as a feature, not a bug.
The question they asked is in presumption for this to be true.
Your non-answer speaks volumes.
What is the acceptable child to terrorist death ratio?
If you don’t know, the rational answer is 0 for the same reason why we dont let suspected pedophiles adopt children as a sacrifice to catch a bigger pedo ring.
The wiki says they are accused of it but lists many reports which found no evidence of this. In the current conflict there are apparently a couple of cases with hostages.
The big problem with most of these claims is that it’s “proximate” shielding being alleged, which is not when you are literally shielding someone (as in the recent cases with Israel using Palestinians, and assumedly those with Hamas using the hostages), but when you are just sat at home, in school, whatever, going about your usual business totally unaware. But you are a “shield” because the enemy decides they want to attack something near you.
This quote really sums up the rhetorical strategy:
“Israeli citizens in Tel Aviv are not classified as shields when Hamas launches rockets towards the Israel Defense Forces military command headquarters located in the city center. By sharp contrast, Palestinian civilians are cast as human shields when Israel bombs Hamas command centers and military infrastructures in Gaza. In other words, if Hamas kills Israeli civilians, it is to blame, and if Israel kills Palestinian civilians, then Hamas is also to blame, since, at least ostensibly, it is Hamas that has deployed these civilians as shields.”
It is a trick so that Israel can avoid responsibility for it’s actions. I’m not saying you are supporting Israel or denying their crimes (I know you explicitly didn’t), but this rhetoric is WAY more common than genuine instances of human shielding, which thus far has primarily been done by Israel, not Hamas.
Likewise, this isn’t excusing Hamas. Fuck them. But aside from the case with the hostages (didn’t check the reference but I trust it), there is very little evidence that Hamas does this. Most of the time it is an outright deception.
Edit: this is from the report cited by wikipedia:
A witness said that as Israeli forces advanced, the fighters phoned the Israeli police using one of the hostages as an interpreter, identified themselves as from the Qassam Brigades, and told the police that they would shoot those they held if the Israeli forces fired on them. During the standoff, the attackers forced about half the hostages into the yard of the home between Israeli forces and the fighters, according to two witnesses the New York Times interviewed. A man the attackers said was their commander took off his clothing and took Yasmin Porat, one of the hostages, outside to shield him as he surrendered to the Israelis. After the fighters fired again at the Israeli forces, an Israeli tank opened fire on the home. The fighters were killed, as well as 12 hostages who were killed in the crossfire.
So clearly it does happen. But cases are rare and on both sides of the conflict
Cool wikipedia article. But you should check out current reality sometime.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict
- https://truthout.org/articles/israel-systematically-uses-gaza-children-as-human-shields-rights-group-finds/
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-01/ty-article/report-israeli-soldiers-filmed-using-detainees-in-gaza-as-human-shields/00000190-6f2b-d6fc-afba-ef7b8ad20000
Israel also uses human shields.
But even if hamas did, that doesn’t mean it is the case here. Just like how it wasn’t the case when they said there is a military base under a hospital, only to find a single tunnel used to smuggle in medicine after they completely bombed it down, including its residents.
The human shield lie is dead. The majority of structures in Gaza have been bombed and rendered uninhabitable. Israel is just destroying everything indiscriminately and killing anything that moves outside the designated camps.
Was Hamas using over half of all structures in Gaza as operating bases? Get real.
It’s already known that Hamas uses tunnels, why would they even be in the buildings at this point? This is just a campaign of total destruction.
Don’t spread genocide denial.
Don’t get me wrong, fuck Netanyahu but Hamas has a well established history of using human shields, schools most definitely included:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas
To claim otherwise simply isn’t true.
Israel has a well established record of using human shields. There have been countless cases. Video evidence, etc. Much more than an extremely biased wikipedia link.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict
- https://truthout.org/articles/israel-systematically-uses-gaza-children-as-human-shields-rights-group-finds/
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-01/ty-article/report-israeli-soldiers-filmed-using-detainees-in-gaza-as-human-shields/00000190-6f2b-d6fc-afba-ef7b8ad20000
Lmao just fucking say you support genocide, do you have any idea how ridiculous you look parroting Israeli lies that have been debunked a thousand times over?
Like, we know what you’re doing. It’s really fucking obvious.
Debunked what? That Hamas stores weapons in schools? Or shoots rockets from there? Sure sure, all fake videos to discredit the humanitarian Hamas that would never do such a thing. Hamas also does not have any incentive to cause as many civilian casualties as possible. They care so much about their people, they even make videos promoting how they rip out water pipes to make rockets , because obviously shooting rockets at you sworn enemy is more important than having water for your people.
Every single innocent person getting killed on both sides is a massive tragedy. But just letting Hamas be is obviously not an option anymore. They need to be removed, just like Nazis in WW2.
Israel doesn’t seem to give a shit about innocent people so don’t give this shitty IDF PR line about what a tragedy innocent deaths are. 40k dead that are counted in the hospitals that aren’t running anymore. Probably at least 100k more beneath the rubble. Just because Bibi doesn’t want to face the end of the war and his downfall. Maybe he can incite a new war with Hezbollah or Iran before Gaza is a wasteland, so he has more time. My government will surely support that as well. Just awesome shit man.
And there is a huge gap between letting Hamas be and bombing the living shit out of a school full of refugees with some Hamas members in them. Maybe it’s just that my and most people’s standards of not regarding Palestinian civilians as worth nothing are too high for the Israeli government.
People who post things like this, especially Linkerbaan, have to believe that the public has access to all of the information Israel and others have about where Hamas is at any given time. Some of the responses here seem to indicate that as well.
I simply don’t believe that’s the case. Imagine thinking that information which is probably secret or top secret (or whatever labeling system Israel uses) that Israel is using to make decisions is probably just online for them to review.