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Nearly all cars will switch to hydrogen (or e-fuels). Using giant batteries to power cars is insanity. If you want to power cars directly with electricity, use mass transit systems with overhead powerlines.

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Wrong

Hydrogen production and transportation doesn’t make sense unless it’s done locally (ex: produce it at a port, transport it to fuel the ships stationed at the port). Hydrogen is pretty much impossible to transport long distance without wasting so much energy that it doesn’t make sense to do it in the first place, then think about how hard it is for us to prevent leaks of petrol of all things, now think about the leaks if we’re transporting hydrogen instead.

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You have inverted reality here. It is much easier to transport hydrogen long distances versus electricity. Pipelines are cheaper than HVDC cables. You can actually ship hydrogen across oceans if necessary. It is electricity that has to be made locally, but hydrogen can made anywhere it is cost effective.

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Hydrogen gas will leak though steel since the molecule is so small while making it brittle and incapable of handling pressure through hydrogen entitlement. It’s not trivial to ship. Power lines are cheap and transport extremely high power density.

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We transport electricity over thousands of kilometers without any hiccups, hydrogen leaks through every-fucking-thing.

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hydrogen cars are electricity cars with extra steps, the gas isn’t burned but converted to electricity in a fuel cell to recharge a tiny battery

the monetary and environmental cost of a 50kwh battery (people shouldn’t want/need SUVs with 200 kwh batteries) is quickly offset when in order to make hydrogen you have to reform methane and deliver it all over the country via trucks

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No they won’t, because you will soon be able to get a 1000km charge BEV and charge it at home. Hydrogen is a joke and this is like my tenth response to you on this subject which makes me think you’re here astroturfing for big oil. Every day hydrogen becomes a worse and worse alternative for the true winner.

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You are imagining BEVs with ever larger and ever less cost effective batteries.

The problem is that the BEV was never intended to replace all cars. To even push this idea just means extremely expensive and non-environmental friendly batteries. You are just wasting your time on pushing greenwashing.

In reality, hydrogen is the only possible solution for most of transportation. Electricity should be reserved for directly electrified vehicles like trains or trolleybuses. Batteries powered vehicles only happened due to massive subsidies. It will revert back into a tiny niche or disappear entirely once those subsidies go away.

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Apparently you missed the news of Samsung shipping their first solid state batteries that have 600 miles of range. The tech is still accelerating. You think we should instead build and maintain an entire hydrogen distribution network, similar to the gas stations of today, when I can have my BEV plug into my solar panels and give me free power at home? It’s way easier to scale microdistribution and also less harmful than leaking unburned hydrogen.

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