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They are required by law passed in 2008 to ensure Israel has a “Qualitative Military Advantage” over the area. They can’t just stop giving weapons completely as it is literally illegal.

They would have to show that Israel has more than enough to defend themselves from all likely attackers before they could prevent it, and if they do guess what: they don’t need weapons to keep on keepin on.

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They can’t just stop giving weapons completely as it is literally illegal.

What about the Leahy laws? Isn’t it illegal to continue?

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No, those laws don’t count because those in power are either scared to stop or don’t want to because they support the genocide.

Functionally, there is no difference between cowardice and enthusiastic complicity. And the enablers of genocide should not get the benefit of the doubt.

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Thanks! That’s interesting. So because they are technically sales it’s under the commercial system, but it sounds like the Biden era policy has rules about this type of thing for those too. And also, aren’t these “sales” actually coming from US aid packages anyway?

Really seems like the rules could be applied consistently to justify stopping supporting this:

Well, the State Department has said publicly that the same policy applies to Israel as apply to every other country. In practice, Israel gets special treatment. In practice, arms transfers that, given similar conduct by any other country would not be allowed, are being allowed for Israel. You may recall the Biden administration suspended items that could be used in offensive air-to-ground operations for Saudi Arabia because they were causing civilian casualties. Those civilian casualties are nowhere near the civilian casualties that Israeli air-to-ground operations have caused so far. Yet unconditional transfers of air-to-ground munitions continue.

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Yup. The law is firm and sacrosanct and immovable when it requires us to support genocide, but less substantial than air when it requires us to withhold support and we don’t wanna.

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Doubtably unless it’s about only interceptor missiles.

There’s a good reason the Biden administration is running more ridiculous press briefings than the CCP and KGB right now. After 10 months of Genocide they are still “investigating” to find if israel ever committed a war crime.

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Could one argue that since Israel pretty clearly possesses nuclear weapons even if they wont directly admit to it, that they should be able to deter attacks that actually stand a chance at threatening the existence of the country due to the threat of those weapons, and therefore already have the required advantage without additional US assistance?

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You’re right. No more weapons to Israel. Guess they’ll just have to use their nukes then.

I really wish people would take a moment and really consider what they are suggesting first.

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I’m not suggesting they actually use those nukes. I’m suggesting that Iran or such will not actually launch an attack strong enough to credibly threaten to destroy Isreal, because it would be suicide to do so. The use of having nuclear weapons is that if you have them, it never makes sense to push you into condition where you feel you have to use them. Using them offensively in Gaza or the like would not be in Isreals interest for a number of reasons.

If someone’s suggestion sounds so obviously flawed that you feel the need to say that, perhaps you should take a moment and consider if they’re really implying what you think they are.

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The fact that Israel is wasting ordinance blowing up civilians and brazenly striking into other countries like Iran makes me think they are rather confident in their military capabilities and so we should let them manage with the resources they have.

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Is that a self imposed law? Who would even litigate it? Israel can go fuck themselves.

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They are also required by the Leahy law to cut off all military aid to any human rights abusers. The State Department confirmed there were war crimes that took place (a number posted as videos by soldiers), but the Secretary of State overrode his own department to illegally give the aid anyway.

All Harris has to do is say she will obey the laws no matter what her feelings may be on the topic. She’s a prosecutor and knows this.

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I feel like cutting them off and pointing out that a qualitative military advantage doesn’t give a nation some magical free pass for genocide isn’t particularly complex. Beyond that, since when does the US government let legalities stop them from doing what they want?

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There is a law that makes everything illegal and another law that makes everything legal. It’s purely up to the authoritarian regime masters, aka district attorneys and congress, to decide to do anything or not.

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