Im not trying to talk past you but either we have a different definition of capitalism which means we agree but to me you want capitalism and just not call it capitalism or we just don’t see things the same. Right now I see the big difference here “” distribute by preference without price". You see in most cases that implies a lack of private property. Private property means I chose what I wanted and the distribution is by how much I will give up for it. If someone or something is making the decision then im not really owning what I want to own. I honestly think this is something you and I are not going to come to terms with. You say you want currency and ownership but seem to claim you don’t want profit to be a thing and im trying to explain why profit (and loss) would have to be a thing. You say “Profit comes from selling Commodities at their Value.” well yeah. That is what folks competing with their currency for what they want or taking something they want less to save currency to use on something they care about more is all about.
Im not trying to talk past you but either we have a different definition of capitalism which means we agree but to me you want capitalism and just not call it capitalism or we just don’t see things the same.
For clarity, I am a Communist. I want to move towards Socialism, and then Communism, over time. Capitalism necessitates production for profit, it doesn’t mean any system with a market.
Right now I see the big difference here “” distribute by preference without price". You see in most cases that implies a lack of private property.
Yes, I disagree with the concept of Private Property along Marxist lines.
Private property means I chose what I wanted and the distribution is by how much I will give up for it.
No, it does not, at all. Private Property refers to individual ownership of the Means of Production.
If someone or something is making the decision then im not really owning what I want to own.
You can make these decisions without Capitalism and without the profit motive, at different points in the transition between Capitalism to Socialism to Communism.
I honestly think this is something you and I are not going to come to terms with. You say you want currency and ownership but seem to claim you don’t want profit to be a thing and im trying to explain why profit (and loss) would have to be a thing.
I do not want currency in the long run, no, but in the short run it can be a useful tool. I do not want individual ownership of the Means of Production, no, but I do want personal ownership of goods and public ownership of Capital. Producing commodities and selling them for their cost of production via central planning is not Capitalism.
You say “Profit comes from selling Commodities at their Value.” well yeah. That is what folks competing with their currency for what they want or taking something they want less to save currency to use on something they care about more is all about.
Not necessarily. Value and Price are not the same thing. Commodities can be sold above and below their Value.
yeah so since I want ownership and specifically a currency to buy and sell with, we just fundamentally disagree as you do not want it in the long run and I do.
You want ownwship of what? Why do you specifically need a currency? What are your goals, and why do you need Capitalism to achieve them?
Additionally, you haven’t explained why you believe you even can have Capitalism in the long-run, you just kind of stopped answering those critical sections.
