They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go.
Capitalism is declining. Fascism is rising as a response to this, as disparity grows, and the Rate of Profit falls, the middle and upper classes (small and large business owners, essentially) unite against the lower classes, ie wage laborers. Capitalism will go away regardless of your wishes, it is unsustainable in the long run.
Just curbed greatly.
What’s your plan to get this to happen? Without a plan, there’s nothing separating ideals from fantasy.
Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.
Production of commodities for the sake of profit among individual Capital owners competing in a market, via wage laborers.
But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
What are you arguing against here, where you don’t believe you can present your individual interests?
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in. So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining. My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it. Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in.
Why not? Socialism solves the contradictions within Capitalism.
So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining.
Do you have a reason to believe the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall can be eliminated entirely, not just temporarily avoided by, say, outsourcing production to countries with lower cost of living? That’s already been done.
My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it.
That has never worked in the long run, in history. The ones with the power to influence government are the ones with the money, this problem is getting far worse. What is your actual, practicible plan?
Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
You can do that under systems other than Capitalism, why are you tied to it? That’s why I asked what you’re arguing against, that’s like saying you want Capitalism because you want the sun to rise.
How do you take away power from the people who make the laws? Convincing them it’s the right thing to do?
This goes back to a small part of my statement a few replies back. “Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.” If everything I wrote about personal property and profit are fine in your socialism and its a democracy then im fine with it but I would call your socialism a blend of socialism and capitalism which in my view is actually regulated capitalist system.
