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No please! Electric substations are necessary to transmit power, and we actually need more of them if we’re going to build the amount of renewables we need.

If you’re looking for parts of the electrical system that I feel less positively about, that would include data centers (especially for AI and crypto mining) and coal-fired power plants.

Of course, industrial sabotage is a crime, and with all the high voltage and current going around, it’s a particularly dangerous one at that. Would not recommend

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Datacenters aren’t the issue, like it or not they’re required for modern society. The issue is data centers powered by unclean power sources.

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So what you’re saying is we destroy the unclean power sources

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Unfortunately, poor people are also supported by those same unclean power sources.

What you want to do is first add new, clean power sources.

I know it’s less fun to fight the revolution by building things, but in the long term it’s more effective than smashing things.

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holy based

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It’s so funny to me that people will unironically bitch about data centers while posting to a website from their computer or phone. You do know that data centers do literally everything in your modern life, they aren’t just used exclusively used for one stupid type of generative AI you dislike.

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Until they’re replaced by other generators, those coal-fired power plants are supporting everyone just like the substations are.

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I hear that, but I think we need to be phasing out coal as fast as possible. Nuclear for base load and renewables plus storage for the rest is our best path forward to decarbonize ASAP

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You rely on data centres to post this message.

I have legit had people arguing that because it’s decentralised that it doesn’t need a data centre. Not realising that many lemmy instances are hosted on public cloud, and that all of them need network infrastructure housed in data centers.

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P2P architectures run on a routed mesh mostly on network edge don’t really need DC server farms. Switching packets, especially minus porn and cat videos don’t take much DC space or power either. Lemmy isn’t that different from Usenet via uucp on dialup, even considering today’s scale.

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Lemmy isn’t P2P though. If it was our clients would connect directly to each other instead of to an instance like how bittorrent works. The Usenet analogy is a lot better, but you are forgetting that modern Usenet is still hosted on large server networks inside data farms. It being decentralised doesn’t actually reduce the computer power needed at all. If anything it actually makes things more complicated. Sure individual instance servers can be smaller, but once you add together all instances it will add up to the same. Some instances like mine require multiple servers working together to host them, and it’s not even the largest instance out there on a relatively niche platform.

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