It can be frustrating not having pictorial memories when Iām missing loved ones, and I wonder if it has contributed to my out of sight out of mind attachment, but itās mostly just rough when I miss my childhood dog.
I have some memories that are hazily pictorial from very young, which makes me suspect a head injury from a young age may have caused it for me. No way to know for sure though, and I donāt have any lasting effects otherwise.
The only way itās ever affected me otherwise is in my sense of creativity, where Iām drawn more to music and language than drawing. I would like to, but itās just difficult to do anything that isnāt in front of me, so I tend to do zentablges which get created as they go. I also like to take photographs to remember important places and moments, but Iām not particularly set on capturing every one. Iām back and forth on taking lots of photos cause Iām very in the moment, and other times I regret not taking more since itās basically lost visually unless I go back again.
Thankfully, Iām not without visuals entirely. Aphantasia is separate from the hypnogogic state of sleep, so things like lucid dreaming and that pre-imagery stage are one way I can experience it. However itās rare, and dreams themselves for me are primarily black and white with a red haze from time to time. Hypnogogia is pretty vibrant though.
First of all, zentangles! Wow! Iāve taken note of that. Impressive af.
Regarding your description of how you think - This is the most amazing thing Iāve read in this comment section so far, because we are like polar opposites in this sense. Itās honestly quite mystical to me, like how can someone exist without fantasy and mental visualization?
Iām wondering if you have a question for me maybe. I think entirely in a form of daydreaming or experience, called picture or visual thinking. The name is a bit of a misnomer because it includes the other senses as well.
Theyāre quite fun! Highly recommend! Thereāre patterns you can learn but I like just free forming it from what feels nice!
And yeah I try not to think too much about what Iām missing out on, like that meme āreplaying the entirety of {Movie} in my headā, or what it would be like to be able to visualize something unique and bring that to paper. But, I feel I have skills in other ways that Iāve developed. I feel very strong in analysis and putting together threads that not everyone seems to, so I have leaned into work that utilizes that. Like I said with performing arts, literary/media analysis, and so many of my hobbies are creatively focused. So sometimes it gets frustrating, cause it would be so nice to get a full sense of what Iām āimaginingā. But it doesnāt mean I donāt have imagination, just not in pictures. So itās effectively making up details and threading those together.
Also unlike some, since aphantasia is a range, I do have spatial and audio āimaginationā, and Iāve been playing music from a very young age so I have a learned sense of perfect pitch thatās stuck with me, and my spatial sense is using relative objects and knowing the estimated dimensions of an object. Every few months I would reorganize my room and leading up to it I would think about what would best be where, which in turn was very helpful for running events in my adult life!
With that sense of spatial awareness I have found that even though I have a aphantasia itās sort of representative of how Daredevil from Marvel comics sees, because when I know a space Iām able to walk it with my eyes closed very well, even though I canāt see anything in my mind I āfeelā this shadowy haze that makes up my dreams and when I try to visualize things. Remembering where objects are is also fairly strong since it can be made into a simple set of boxes that represent the details. Like on my desk, pen holder, keyboard, mouse, devices, and when I go to look for the device itās usually how I last remember it. I donāt have face blindness, but I canāt re-picture someoneās face. I āknowā what it looks like but itās not helpful because thereās no reference in real space (until I see them or someone who has a feature they have). The same goes for scenery, I know what it looked like just recreating it visually is not possible.
When I close my eyes and try to visualize, itās black, but static. I also have a bit of a color aura, sort of like those Mandelbrot infinite depth things. Itās always circular, never perfect, and it usually comes from outside of my 2D black plane when I close my eyes, enclosing a deep dark shaded color (usually r g b, and grey only). Thereās not much I can do, I think somewhat slow it down or speed it up if I ātryā but thereās not a lot else. Itās never gone side to side or anything (until hypnogogia where it gets all crazy). But, the staticā¦ Itās ever so slightly affected by what I know. I know what my table looks like, so I can shift it in space to get a feel for if it fits. Iām pretty strong with this and itās the closest thing I have to visualization, but itās so far removed from it. Itās like a black and white version of a magnet on an old TVā¦ Justā¦ Barely formed lines and depth, so faint but just barely there to be workable.
With that I like to do blueprint sketching when I come up with those ideas, since that is the closest I have to being able to put my mind on paper. Itās helpful because itās permanent, and whatever Iām āworkingā in my mind is very, very brief. Sadly, it works well only for blueprinting, so really not anything artistic, just conceptual. Because of that I like to say I have conceptualization just not visualization, since as long as Iāve seen what it is weāre talking about I have the sense of what it is.
Itās really interesting being a detail focused mind since I canāt help it, but I also donāt remember everything so itās really just what happens to stick out to me, or if Iām specifically on the lookout for it.
Whatās interesting is that aphantasia seems fairly uncommon, and visualization seems fairly common. Most people I talk to are surprised to hear that other people do not have visualization, or that the extent of theirs may differ from someone elseās ā like you said you have other senses as well, which not everyone who has it does, or some have varying intensities. I think it can also play into peopleās social and religious interactions as well, since some people are so heavily affected by their visualization. Iāve known a number of Christians who smoked weed for the first time and their social constructs that they see Jesus or demons and angels fighting which, wellā¦ Thatās awesome, and so far removed from my perception of reality haha.
What I find interesting is that when taking certain psychedelics, this perception is changed in different ways (obviously I guess haha). Acid had distorted visual reality, and just made the color patterns more chaotic. Mushrooms also distorted visual reality, but also made closed eye visuals more circular and colorful. Neither really did much for me other than making my āvisualizationā more like the random chaotic hypnogogic state. But DMTā¦ That was a wildly different experience that actually had me experience a fraction of what you probably experience on a daily basis. From fractals in 3D with colors Iāve never imagined to full on visualization, it was very overwhelming! There were other reasons too, but there was really nothing like it. I literally canāt imagine what it would be like to control something like that!
Super interesting! Saved it so I can go over it again later.
Regarding religion I have a funny story. I once met this guy and we had this amazing spiritual connection. Really powerful. So anyway we connect. Heās like I can give you some lessons if you like.
So a year or two later I pick him up on that. He says next Saturday at 1300 sit down and close your eyes.
Mind you I meditate and Iāve had some powerful experiences, but it seemed he didnāt quite catch on to that. I was like well do you want me to meditate? Where? And so on, trying to get details out of him. But he wouldnāt give me any. Just had to close my eyes at 1300 on that specific day. I dunno, crazy stuff, but why the heck not.
So I went out into the forest with a good friend and it was nearly 13. So we sit down on the path and start meditating.
My dude I was having a most interesting experience! I was on a beach and it was pitch black at night. And over the water this huge elephant person floated towards me. I am talking like 1km high. It looked a lot like one of those Indian gods. It was quite moving and a unique experience.
So I was all like wow that was amazing I canāt wait to talk to him. I got home and called him and told him the story.
š He was speechless and had no clue wtf I was on about š¤£
Apparently heās into some kind of esoteric cult that has like a hierarchy and I was gonna end up paying him for it. He was gonna like hook me up to their mental social network. Like wow one of the biggest wtf moments of my life.
It made me wonder a lot about how that can be. That two people can feel such a powerful emotional spiritual connection, but then just absolutely have different ideas about how it works. This guy wasnāt crazy or stupid or anything, but well, I did piss him off somehow. I dunno I guess he was prideful š¤·š»āāļø
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