Fuck Israel and the Palestinians for being endlessly shitty to each other and dragging the whole gottdam world into their regional territorial dispute over and over for the better part of the last century. Fuck the whole lot of them together for perpetuating the most narcissistic conflict of the 20th century. Everyone’s a victim and everyone’s an aggressor and we are all supposed to dissect their long historical bullshit and form a moral opinion?! Fuck off and leave us all out of your fucking drama.
I voted you down because I think you are making a few errors here:
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Not every Palestinian is Hamas. Hamas is a genocidal organization that wishes it could kill every Israeli, including civilians, but not every Palestinian believes in that. And not every Israeli agrees with IDF’s genocide, although a disappointingly high proportion of them do.
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IDF is clearly more successful in their genocide of Palestinians than Hamas is in their attempted genocide of Israelis.
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Even if Hamas and IDF both were equal, a lot of the English-speaking Internet (including many Lemmings here) are Americans, and pay American taxes, and therefore have an obligation to stop the genocide funded by our taxes, through money and weapons the US government sends to Israel. Even if both sides were equally bad, we (I and other Americans) recognize the need to stop Israel, but have no obligation to stop Hamas because we aren’t sending them the weapons in the first place.
Hamas is a genocidal organization that wishes it could kill every Israeli
Hamas is pretty careful to differentiate Jewish people, some of whom have lived in Palestine for millennia, and the Zionist project, which requires the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Hamas is pretty careful to differentiate Jewish people
Ah, so what happened on October 7th?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
Or is what happened okay because only ‘Zionists’ were killed?
Thank you for being one if the few that rip into Hamas at the same time as calling Israel out. I disagree on downvoting them as they contributed to the conversation, but points don’t matter.
On point 1, outside of a few extremists I don’t think anyone considers all of Palestine to be a part of Hamas - its just how we talk.
America isn’t becoming a backwards, puritan and corrupt country - the Republicans are and they held the power. But we don’t say that, we just say America is turning to shit. China doesn’t have aggressive expansionist goals, the CCP does. Russia isn’t a warmongering state, Putin and his running party are.
On point 1, outside of a few extremists I don’t think anyone considers all of Palestine to be a part of Hamas
“We’re liberating the Palestinian people from Hamas” is a zionist talking point. Learn to recognize that pattern when it’s used to justify action against other countries; eg sanctions against Cuba, Syria, Iran, North Korea, which primarily hurt the people.
Most of the other Palestinian parties, some of which have literal had gun battles with Hamas have started working with them since Oct 7. The PLFP knows more about what’s good for the future of the Palestinian people than either of us, and they’re willing to work with Hamas.
America isn’t becoming a backwards, puritan and corrupt country
I mean it kinda always has been. The government has always been much more reactionary than the people, but it’s always been a puritan country with legalized corruption, going as far back as Washington passing taxes to give his distilleries competitive advantage. I can link you some free history books on America, is there any time period that interests you?
China…
The CPC has overwhelming support from the population, it does a better job of representing the people than most western democracies, evidenced by greatest increase in living standards for a large country in history. Do you think it’s more likely the people have aggressive expansionist goals, or that you have an incomplete understanding?
Russia isn’t a warmongering state
Russia is a bourgeoisie democracy, if Putin and his party didn’t do what the Russian bourgeoisie wanted, they’d put someone else in power. The state is warmongering, the people aren’t.
