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To your first point, there are none unless you’re willing to vote third party.

To your second point, I disagree. Fascism isn’t some specter on the horizon. It’s already here, and the only choice is between the flavors that have been forced upon us.

In the US, milque-toast liberal policy is fascist. Look at the costs of health care and education, the astronomical spending on war, the patronage of the big banks and exemptions they receive for their crimes, and the deliberate and escalated impoverishment of the poor and milddle class. (Not to mention the continued and escalated militarization of the police.)

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that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in

unless you’re willing to vote third party

To be abundantly clear, with the system as designed in the US, third party (presidential) candidates do not have any chance of “getting in” this election, let alone a “reasonable” chance (in certain areas, some options may exist for lesser political appointments).

Voting third party is at best a weak attempt to signal preference for future elections, but at worst a gift to whichever party or candidate you consider to be “most bad”.

By all means, protest vote in the primaries, campaign for candidates you believe in, and most importantly, discuss the issues that are important to you to help bolster public awareness, but please, PLEASE, don’t fall for the con that is voting 3rd party in the election.

I don’t know who your third party favorite is, but do yourself a favor and look at who is donating to their campaign, and what other campaigns those donors support - a lot of money is thrown at 3rd party candidates to draw votes away from credible political opponents.

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I don’t have any illusions about this or any presidential election.

The person who wins will do the bidding of the billionaire class, and that’s how it’s been since the 60’s. (Though the wealth disparity has increased exponentially since Reagan’s presidency.)

We haven’t had a president who did anything meaningful for the poor and middle class since LBJ.

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No president has ever been or will ever be perfect, but we’ve had some good steps since LBJ:

Clinton’s increased taxes on the rich, defense spending cuts, etc, got us our first and last government surplus years since '69, and made a little progress on welfare, but that was largely hampered by a Republican takeover of the House in '94

Obama passed the ACA, which was pretty meaningful to the middle class. Again, further progress got hampered by Republicans in congress in the later years of his presidency

Biden has passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which has lots of progressive incentives that benefit middle class families, including tax breaks for home efficiency improvements, renewable energy, and electric vehicles. He has also helped wipe away billions of dollars in student loan debts, benefiting middle class families (but again, you can thank Republicans for that not moving further or quicker)

You’ll note the constant tend though - since the president doesn’t write the laws, without congressional support, progressive ambitions get killed.

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The democratic system in America is broken… what is democracy if you just constantly converge onto a two party system?

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This is the kind of comment that prisoners of the two party system, Lemmy.world smug libs downvote.

Keep speaking the truth regardless of the brigading.

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That’s unregulated capitalism. You’re describing capitalism, not fascism.

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I mean, you could argue that we’re missing a dictator, but the billionaire class that actually owns this government feels sufficiently dictatorial to me.

The only upside in all this is that economic disparity has gotten so bad that it’s forced labor unions to get stronger by necessity.

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Reliably, the “both-sides-are-the-same” poster.

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What did I say that’s factually incorrect?

The positions of the Democrats and Republicans are literally the same on the issue of Israel. (And others, if we’re going off their record.)

For instance, Joe Biden has been a vocal supporter of militarized police. He even mocked the Defund movement in his first SOTU speech.

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The democratic party is not particularly good on Israel, but you’re deeply deeply ignorant if you can’t see how much worse the Republicans are.

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But have Democrats not been quitting Biden’s admin?

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