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No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.

Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.

Biden is not directly doing anything related to the Genocide, that’s all on Bibi.

If I give someone $20 for lunch and they blow it on drugs instead, I’m not actively supporting their drug habit.

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No, he’s providing weapons and funding for the defense of Israel.

Israel is misappropriating that support for the Genocide.

Disingenuous it is.

At this point, he can’t have a shadow of a doubt what they’re using it for.

If you’re giving some $20 knowing full well that they’re going to use them for drugs, you’re not giving them lunch money. You’re giving them drug money.

Biden is providing weapons that he KNOWS are going to be used to commit genocide (which is in itself illegal according to US and international law btw), including weapons with no defensive purposes such as bombs.

Your “he’s just innocently providing for their self defense” excuse is absolutely ridiculous and I very much doubt that you even believe it yourself.

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It’s not being disingenuous.

Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does:

https://youtu.be/Oz1BAOjaTqs

The funding is intended for that defense.

Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them. We made the good faith donation, they’re the one abusing it.

That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.

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when someone deliberately does something violent to innocent people, attacking them *first * and you respond that they have the right to “defend themselves”, yes you are complicit.

Israel isn’t and has never “defended” itself. It is the instigator of this conflict.

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Biden has repeatedly stated, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself, as any other nation does

Yes, but that’s demonstrably NOT what they’re doing and he knows it for a fact.

The funding is intended for that defense

That’s the official Hasbara gaslighting, sure, but it’s obviously not the truth.

Now, what Israel does with that support after we give it to them? That’s on them.

Not when it’s known beforehand. Again: providing weapons that you have reason to suspect MIGHT be used to commit war crimes is illegal according to both US and international law.

In the case of Israel, it’s far beyond a reasonable suspicion, it’s an absolute CERTAINTY.

We made the good faith donation

No. If it had been in good faith, it would have stopped the moment there was evidence that it was being used for anything else than the stated purpose. That point was DECADES ago and the weapons are still coming.

they’re the one abusing it.

Again: Biden KNOWS without a shadow of a doubt what they’re using them for. He would have to be sundowning as badly as the worst Republican conspiracy theories claim he is to not know. And he isn’t.

That does not make Biden complicit in Israel’s crimes.

Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY does. He KNOWS what those weapons are used for and still he keeps sending them. That he’s unconvincingly pretending not to isn’t a valid excuse and thus doesn’t absolve him of his complicity.

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And this should be the point to end the argument. Well said.

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Wrong on both accounts, since the entire world including Biden KNOWS what those weapons are going to be used for beforehand.

He’s not sending bombs and missile guiding systems for self defense. He’s sending them to be used to commit genocide and he knows it.

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This is a clear illustration of how you don’t understand how things work in politics and diplomacy. I suggest you brush up before engaging in discussions where the topic addresses these things.

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