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Oh yeah? Industrial farming gives less food per hour of work than collecting wild nuts? Are you sure about that?

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If you convert it to money inbetween and state and distributors take 2/3 of it, yes.

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Please do show me the data that 8 billion people can survive on hunting and gathering.

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With modern farming, 10% of the people can now produce enough food for everyone. And if everyone had equal income instead of the top 1% syphoning off half the wealth, we could globally support a middle class lifestyle by everyone working 20 hours a week, the same amount that hunters and gatherers “worked”.

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Source? Everything we do is more an more complex. A TV show requires hundreds of people. A smartphone, millions if we include supply chains. Same for a car. A modern house requires dozens of highly specialized workers for weeks at a time, plus materials. People live much longer with better health, that’s a lot of labor in research, machines, drugs and raw manpower (nurses, surgeons, etc).

Maybe you meant a pre-industrial middle class?

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10% of the people, first of all, is around 800 million people. And secondly, that’s a lot of really hard work that can’t be done just 20 hours a week. I’m in Indiana. I know farmers. It’s not even a 40-hour-a-week job. It’s a sunup to sundown job.

So sure, everyone gets a break. Except farmers. Who earn the same amount as everyone else but have to work a lot harder.

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They didn’t say we could.

They said industrial farming is more effective per manhour at food production.

And it is. There are obviously further complexities to have everything else in a modern society, but that doesn’t change the fact that even modern productivity increases aren’t decreasing work loads for some reason

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It was in response to my saying that you cannot support a large population via hunting and gathering. You need to work harder than that. It is only more food per hour of work if you are talking about a small population. There is a point of diminishing returns and then it gets harder and harder to feed a growing population via hunting and gathering.

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