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With modern farming, 10% of the people can now produce enough food for everyone. And if everyone had equal income instead of the top 1% syphoning off half the wealth, we could globally support a middle class lifestyle by everyone working 20 hours a week, the same amount that hunters and gatherers “worked”.

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10% of the people, first of all, is around 800 million people. And secondly, that’s a lot of really hard work that can’t be done just 20 hours a week. I’m in Indiana. I know farmers. It’s not even a 40-hour-a-week job. It’s a sunup to sundown job.

So sure, everyone gets a break. Except farmers. Who earn the same amount as everyone else but have to work a lot harder.

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If the required labor was split up more equitably then farmers wouldn’t have to work sunup to sundown.

The entire point of large scale agriculture is that it’s more efficient than individual peasants working a single field or whatever.

Nobody is saying that farming isn’t hard work, but modern farming should produce more food per man-hour than neolithic farming (or hunter/gathering), right? So why should it be that farm workers now have to work harder than prehistoric people?

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Because the tools are more expensive. But that’s only half of it.

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So why should it be that farm workers now have to work harder than prehistoric people?

Do they? Because what has been said so far is that hunter-gatherers didn’t work as hard. Or do you mean pre-agriculture prehistoric people? Because agriculture predates written history by thousands of years.

Once we started farming and herding, the work was harder. But also necessary. That’s just how things are.

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Have more farmers …

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What if you can’t find more than 800 million farmers?

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I agree with but for one thing. If we doubled the farm workforce then each farmer wouldn’t have to work as hard. And we certainly have another 800 million people to throw at it.

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Source? Everything we do is more an more complex. A TV show requires hundreds of people. A smartphone, millions if we include supply chains. Same for a car. A modern house requires dozens of highly specialized workers for weeks at a time, plus materials. People live much longer with better health, that’s a lot of labor in research, machines, drugs and raw manpower (nurses, surgeons, etc).

Maybe you meant a pre-industrial middle class?

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