Even if more people die on the bottom track than are shown in the drawing, it will still be true that no one dies on the bottom who isn’t also dying on the top, and that more people in total die on the top. (IMO, and I think in the opinion of the first group of people I described.)

If the folks who don’t want to vote Harris due to Gaza are doing so for some reason other than what I outlined above, I’d love to hear it. Because if they aren’t trying to get rid of the Trolley than why the fuck would they be taking action that increases the chance of the trolley going to the top track?

Remember to never question why such an orphan crushing trolley exists!

This is really the crux of every one of these arguments about Gaza-related voting decisions though.

The people saying vote Harris please because (see OP) are saying that because they consider the trolley as an unstoppable force. There is no spectrum of feasible action that involves stopping the trolley before it takes one of those two paths. There may be feasible action that involves getting rid of the trolley later, but not now.

The people saying ZOMG you are voting for genocide if you vote for Harris seem to be focused on the trolley and can’t believe we’re all worrying about lesser evils when the orphan crushing trolley is right fucking there.

I am not a member of this second group, but it seems to me that they think getting rid of the trolley before it takes one of those paths is possible. Or, they think destroying the trolley later necessarily involves sacrificing ALL those groups (on both tracks above) now.

What if Donald Trump ran for president in 2028?

He won’t be. They can barely prop him up now. He’s in worse shape than Biden, and frankly I think he was in worse shape than Biden when Biden dropped out.

I’m not convinced he’ll be able to keep his body alive until 2028, if all (or even most of) the stories about how he treats it are true.

Anyhow, my sentence you are primarily responding to should have been this:

She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028 by itself.

If the net effect of a Kamala first term is to pull the party to the right (as is currently tracking) then no, I’ll be one of the people getting yelled at online for refusing to give her my vote for a second term. That’s an outcome she is entirely capable of avoiding.

I for one am livid that I’ll have to wait until after the election to see the disappointing wrist slaps he might get from whichever cases don’t get sabotaged by sympathetic judges.

Thanks a bunch, those are all good tips, and I was already wondering what lube to get

Looking at the other video that was posted I was wondering if I could/should just leave the domes attached, so thank you for confirming.

Thank you! For some reason I remembered it requiring a lot more than it looks like it does in that video. I appreciate it!

Pinning colonialism on liberals is very low effort

I did say I’d have titled it Colonizers not Liberals.

The biggest problems with Kamala Harris are her policies

She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028. This sprint to the right she’s pulled in recent months better be to get in the door.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-democrats.html

As Vice President Kamala Harris makes a broad play to the political center, some Democrats worry that she is going too far in her bid to win over moderates who are skeptical of former President Donald J. Trump. In private — and increasingly in public as Election Day fast approaches — they say she risks chilling Democratic enthusiasm by alienating progressives and working-class voters.

Damn right she risks it.

From the same article:

She has centered her economic platform on middle-class issues like small businesses and entrepreneurship rather than raising the minimum wage, a deeply held goal of many Democrats that polls well across the board. She has taken a harder-line stance on the border than has any member of her party in a generation and has talked more prominently about owning a Glock than about combating climate change. She has not broken from President Biden on the war Israel is waging in Gaza.

Edit - wow that’s a good article. It says everything that needs to be said.

“The tent is big enough for a guy who got us into a war with Iraq, and then the tent is not big enough for a Palestinian to speak for two minutes on the D.N.C. stage,” said Ms. Joshi, contrasting the endorsement of Ms. Harris by Ms. Cheney’s father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, with the Democratic Party’s decision not to invite a Palestinian American to speak at its national convention.

Looking at the current admin and the Palestine situation, I don’t see how it makes a difference if D leadership care slightly more than R leadership about what is going on in Gaza. (Though I’m voting for Kamala anyhow, for the reasons you’d think.) They clearly aren’t doing anything about it beyond some exceptionally low energy lip service - and how many months did it take to even get to that point?

But I have to admit in a vacuum I personally wouldn’t have titled the meme that way. It’s Colonizers.

I also don’t think it’s low effort. It’s a worthwhile reminder that for as long as there are indigenous and less technologically developed populations located on land that wealthier and/or more technologically developed peoples want to exploit, we’ll just keep making the same cruel decision over and over.