Get in the Hilux.

34 points

I have worked less than 40 hours a week (and more as well).

My entertainment spending in both scenarios says this is complete horsecrap.

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I think it also depends on where you are in life. Way back when I was single, living along and with little to no responsibilities doing 40 hours wasn’t an issue. I would wake up at 6, hit the gym, do 8 hours of work, pickup takeaway, eat and then I pretty much have the rest of the day free (minus the occasional chore).

I lived close to work so daily commute time was 1 hour, gym and takeaway places were on the route. Add in 1 hour in the gym and after work, commute and gym I still had 6 hours of free time with 8 hours of sleep.

Now I do 32 hours a week and I don’t commute, but I have a family. Even with reduced workload I get 2-3 hours of personal time. ~1 hour comes from reduced workload and 1 hour comes from less sleep and the last hour comes from not hitting the gym. If I lived like I used to I’d have no free time and I’d have to make even more compromises about my time just to have some personal time. And let’s face it, working remotely means I definitely don’t spend the entire 6 or 6.5 hours on work. I have so many other responsibilities that doing less work is absolutely having an impact on my life and well-being.

I can’t fathom how people with families can do full 40 hours and find time to spend with their kids and find time to for self. I think they probably don’t find all that time. I think they’re compromising where they can and that mostly happens with themselves and their children, work is not compromised.

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3 points

Look, I’m happy for you, but I’ve never had it in me to do any of that. Single, young, whatever. I had the energy to stop for a drink on the way back home, at best. On a good day.

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45 points

During Covid times I had the chance to work 6 hours a day (for the same pay) and boy did things change in everyone’s life. People were clearly happier and more productive. Even my then manager agreed that it allowed for a significant improvement in work/life balance.

Unsurprisingly, everything went back to normal when it was over.

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5 points

When covid hit they cut my hours to 32 a week. They wouldn’t let us do a four day work week which was kind of lame, but instead we got four 7-hour days then a 4-hour half-day on Friday. It doesn’t sound like a lot but even an extra hour in the evenings and an early start to the weekend turned out to be really refreshing. When things went back to normal, I asked if I could keep that schedule even with the 20% pay cut, but they said no.

Unfortunately, it seems that there simply aren’t a lot of white collar type office jobs where you can work for less than the standard 40 hours a week while keeping the same hourly rate and similar benefits.

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10 points

My big realization over the years working from home (both pre and post pandemic), with teams in differen time zones and with different types of workdays is that there just isn’t a single best answer. Things change person to person as well as over time.

But yeah, working fewer hours a week honestly didn’t impact productivity much at all, and moving the hours from a single chunk to mostly working at the right times for each type of task made things more sustainable. You can’t always be flexible about this on every position, but when you can I genuinely think it can get you to where you want to go faster and more reliably to be loose and align with specific needs.

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3 points

There is a single best answer. 40 hours of work is too much given other responsibilities and compankes should be required to pay overtime when someone works over 32 hours.

Women in the workforce means most workers don’t have a fulltime childcare assistant cook cleaner at home anymore and the hours per week at work has not adjusted accordingly.

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130 points

Legitimately, I don’t think corporations are thinking on that scale. They can’t even see past next quarter.

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The OT rules are governed at a national level and incentiving certain hourly amounts is policy created by the elites who know exhausted workers have less energy to question their exploitation. Look at wealth inequaluty by country and hours per week worked by the average person.

Corporations don’t think. People do. And elite rich people set policy that the lower classes either accept or rebel against.

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12 points
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The CEOs maybe, but they then hire people who know all this psychology and absolutely know how to accomplish this.

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24 points

I think this and similar ideas were more of an post-implementation discovery that now drives refused change of said systems. The idea that some grand plan has been in effect from any starting point is where absurdity is introduced.

The wealthy, ie the powerful, cannot even agree within their circle on much, and the entire personality that reaches said level isn’t known for thorough meticulous loyalty to a group plan.

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3 points

Maybe it wasn’t intentional at first, but once they saw the effect and realized why it was happening, they definitely cranked it up to 11.

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7 points

The short name for what you’ve just described is POSIWID - the Purpose Of a System Is What It Does. There is no meaning in ascribing intent to a system beyond its function, because intentions don’t matter. Systems act regardless. If an outcome occurs - our emiseration - and those in charge do nothing to correct it, then they are implicitly approving of it, so it becomes part of the system’s purpose by evolution.

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25 points
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Water drops in the ocean never mean to be- come a tsunami.

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Working forty-plus hours a week plus commute and domestic responsibilities keeps us from civic awareness.

It also keeps us from parenting and has since the start of the industrial age. So the madness (the family dysfunction and mental illness) is intergenerational.

We’re all mad here.

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3 points

It used to be worse during the gilded age, and people still managed to unionize then.

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38 points
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I think making us purchase happy, while indeed very beneficial to the owning class, is still just a side effect (E: of the length of the work day, not capitalism in general) to the real reason (and why the 8 hour work day is a compromise people had to fight, and die, for) - keeping us tired and hungry (and not only for indulgence) and at risk of losing it all if we don’t go to work tomorrow keeps us from having the time, energy, and community (because capitalism encourages crab mentality) to organise and revolt against them, and their oppressive systems.

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39 points

They think I do 3 hours of work a day…ha

I’m sitting in the IT room hiding from everyone as we speak only 5 hours to go and I’ll have 8 hours no work done

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11 points

Does that make you happy? Genuine question, because I absolutely hate not doing anything productive

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