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The one mystery that hasn’t been answered to my knowledge is why didn’t Pence want to get into the car with Secret Service?

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He knew they were going to kill him. Ultimately there would be no other way around it.

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Or he suspected they would kidnap him until he declared Trump the winner of the election.

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Oh he knew. Trump told him the plan.

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He knew they would whisk him off to a “secure location” and he wouldn’t be able to certify the election. A big part of the Trump plan was for Pence to refuse to certify the election and throw the process into chaos. When he refused to do that they came up with a plan to physically remove him instead. Luckily he was smart enough to see through it.

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That’s the point of his bad news smokescreen. There was such turbulence in the media throughout his entire presidency that the majority of the real damage he has done was only noticed by people who actively seek out information. It’s a brilliant way to obfuscate his agenda from the eyes of the passively informed.

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Its the Russian stratagem. Flood the air waves with anything and everything. Call what’s true false and what’s false true. Now consensus reality no longer exists.

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I guess I’m going fully red-string crazy because yeah, we’ve been under a russian propaganda storm for years now and like… why does the cia just let them? I think we have to recognize that the global information apparatus is allied against the ignorant public, their mutual targets.

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Because we were already in one of the hugest propaganda storms in human history, and the Russians just started using the American apparatus effectively.

It’s not like Noam Chomsky hasn’t been talking about this for decades

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How can the secret service let a 20y/o survalence a presidential candidates campaign site; see the guy with a view finder scope out the building your snipers are in; then let him grab his gun and climb in the building you are in?

Our law enforcement is about as useful as a pool noodle.

Spend some time looking into true crime. Crimes go unsolved not because the murders are geniuses. 9 out of 10 our law enforcement is incompetent.

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7 points

Flood the zone with shit

~ Steve “I’ll take a bath when I’m dead” Bannon

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Now its Steve “I’ll take a shower when the guards tell me to” Bannon.

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60 points

Pence declined to endorse him, but is still gonna vote for him anyhow.

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40 points

As is the way of the cult

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I mean, can’t let a blood pact with the devil himself go to waste. You know how much blood of the innocent that cost them?

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Sunk Cost is still a fallacy, even if it’s applied to Hell.

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I don’t think they were going to kill him. I think their play was to bring him off-site “for his safety” so he couldn’t certify the election, at most a kidnapping.

The whole thing was too noncommittal by the big players in case things went to shit, which it did. They didn’t have the balls to plan out an assassination of the VP.

It might have worked if they had the balls to do that, and other things.

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33 points

Gallows says they wanted to kill him

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The angry mob wanted to kill him, not the orchestrators that would have pull with the USSS. Do you think they were going to drive him out into the mob to the world’s shittiest gallows?

If it ever came out that people in the Trump administration actively participated in a well-defined plot to kill Pence, they would fry. That’s why they sicced the mob on the capital to commit spontaneous violence. Difficult if not impossible to prove conspiracy, and the people getting jail time would be the red hat morons, not the people in charge. Again, they (the orchestrators) were half-hearted cowards that were more concerned with saving themselves if it failed than doing anything to make sure it succeeded, and for this moment in time we should be thankful for that.

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They didn’t want to kill him, they just sent an angry mob after him. What the angry mod decided to do, that’s on them.

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There’s no telling what mob mentality would do. Some were chanting “hang Mike Pence” and had gallows erected in front of the Capitol. It wasn’t going to be Trump who would have tied the noose, but a crazy trump cult member would have probably done it.

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at most a kidnapping.

Right but what then? You can’t let him go then, or they’ll face a kidnapping / attempted murder etc charge. He knew they were going to lock him up so they could admit the false electors and complete the coup. They’d have to kill him.

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It was organized over twitter, “big players” were not involved. Hell, Trump himself was only interested in showing up because he likes being on stage in front of people. There was no plan, no goal. It was the political equivalent of an angry sports riot.

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Where can I read about this? (I’m a silly little European I didn’t know about this)

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Jan 6, 2021, invasion of the US Capitol in an attempt to stop Congress from counting electoral votes as part of the process to confirm Joe Biden as President. The mob had erected a gallows and were chanting “Hang Mike Pence!”

Mike Pence was Trump’s Vice President. Trump insisted (confidently incorrect) that Pence had the authority to reject the electoral count. Pence refused to do so. Trump expressed his “disappointment” in Pence during the Capitol invasion, directly leading tho the above.

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Search for “Jan 6”

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