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A survey of 100,000 Germans found that 94% refuse to buy a Tesla, signaling a major crisis for the company.

Tesla’s German sales dropped 70% in early 2025 after a 41% decline in 2024, despite overall EV sales rising.

Analysts attribute the slump to CEO Elon Musk’s far-right political endorsements, including promoting the AfD party and making Nazi-related gestures. Musk is under European investigation for political meddling.

With Tesla’s reputation plummeting, industry experts predict further losses in Germany’s competitive EV market.

91 points

It is already dumb for a German to buy an American car. It is like a French buying an American wine.

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58 points

Sadly our car industry slept way too long on electric vehicles and instead doubled down on combustion engines, even by fraudulent practices (e.g. Dieselgate).

Teslas were by far the best EVs for a long time. Nowadays, not so much.

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Teslas were by far the best EVs for a long time

Were they though? Almost immediately after he stole the company from its founders/creators quality went down. But maybe there was enough residual quality to last him for a few years.

Anyhow, your point stands. Nowadays there’s plenty more to choose from and what then was innovative just isn’t anymore.

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Okay, Elon Musk is a giant asshole, but not so big that it warps reality around it. Musk provided money and became chairman of Tesla in Jan 2004. The first production vehicle rolled out in 2005. All Teslas were produced after Musk joined Tesla. And while it could be argued that he did a hostile takeover of Tesla, usually theft doesn’t include piles of cash going to the victim.

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I mean, it technically may be true, but that’s due to the complete lack of a viable competitor. Teslas are cheap, poorly made death traps. If you use auto pilot your basically being used as an unpaid crash test dummy. If you like being taken advantage of, then a Tesla is for you

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2 points

In terms of range, Tesla was the benchmark for a long time

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As someone from Northern California might not have been the greatest analogy :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

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Looks like some elitist crap to me. Who the fuck buys the “best” especially in something like wine thats replete with elitist bullsit and nobbery to exagerate perceptions of scarcity and create an “investment”. its a fucking consumable.

99% of the people in France can get perfectly good French wine for a handful of euros without importing from USA.

Coudn’t give a fuck about the other 1%.

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There’s plenty of really good American wines.

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But you can buy just as good and better wines cheaper and locally if you live in France.

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3 points

yep, value for money.
Importing is a waste of diesel fuel even without any tariffs - if you have decent domestic production.

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9 points

There are - sadly I won’t be buying any for at least 4 years and will be buying European.

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8 points

nobody claimed otherwise

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“Nazi-related gestures”

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makes nazi salute

“Hitler did nothing wrong”

“Oh, he’s not a bad guy, he’s misunderstood.”

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Bonus points for irony if they actually use “aspergers” given the origin of the term.

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He did use that “Canada isn’t a real country” line from South Park. So you’re not far off.

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Best justification so far: he was just so happy, so in the moment!

🤔 When’s the last time you made an “accidental” Heil Hitler just because you were pumped about something?

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…and do it twice, just in case the first “accident” wasn’t enough.

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5 points

Oh what an improvement, they actually mentioned the hate movement this time

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I did notsee related gestures 🙄

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If the Tesla board of directors was being responsible to shareholders, they’d have recognized the damage the public perception of Elon is doing to the company and either have him rein it in or outright remove him. However, Elon’s gotten a number of his cronies onto the board, so I don’t think it’s happening unless the shareholders vote out the current board.

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It’s also weird because if they get rid of Elon then people would start looking at the actual fundamentals of Tesla which would lead to a much much lower stock price. In December, Tesla was valued at roughly the same as the rest of the worlds auto manufacturers combined, despite selling only 3% of the worlds cars in 2023.

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It’s an aspirational brand that is the result of a carefully curated public image. Tesla are notable for their litigation propensity, dubious technical claims and avoidance of benchmarking, e.g., JD Power.

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That’s pretty wild considering the rise of AfD support there.

I wonder if Elon’s endorsement was a detriment to their election campaign.

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AfD voters don’t care about the environment and the climate.

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I mean AfD made it pretty clear they are against Tesla when trying to stop the Tesla plant in Germany.

Not sure how their brains work, maybe they don’t. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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why? Elon supports AfD and I think he’s making it pretty clear that he’s against Tesla too

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if he wasn’t he wouldn’t force them to make a truck that’s as disfigured as his body.

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14 points

Well, they are afraid of electric vehicles, they want the good old polluting combustion engine.

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I wonder if Elon’s endorsement was a detriment to their election campaign.

No, definitely not. But imho it didn’t shift the needle upwards either. They’ve been on the rise for a long time and there was no jump during this election.

But the next election in Europe might look different.

And there’s a lot more to be said about American-based social media and far-right populist movements influencing our own flavors of the same for many years now.

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