Nowadays Windows is filled with adware and is fairly slow, but it wasn’t always like this. Was there a particular time where a change occurred?

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Depending on who you ask, Vista or 8.

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+1 for 8

That’s where they started to suck

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NT 3.5 was the last version I’d consider “good” without reservation.

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Vista, no question

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10

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Windows 7 exists, and there’s no need to improve upon perfection. But there’s no money in releasing nothing, so they release ad-filled “upgrades” to bring in more money from the doofuses who buy it.

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This is something Apple got right. OS X 10.0 was good and they’ve made lots of incremental changes but didn’t just arbitrarily change the whole “centered application dock at the bottom and menu bar at the top” situation. When new form factors emerged, they just made a new interface and didn’t try to hot glue a mouse/touchpad OS and touchscreen OS together for the fuck of it.

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Yeah, every UI change since 7 has been for the worse, increasing the number of steps required to get work done.

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To be fair, 10’s Settings screen makes dealing with wifi and bluetooth much easier than 7

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Yeah but they had to do that because bluetooth became much more commonplace between 7 and 10.

Although I’m not sure if it was like that out of the box or it was improved with an update.

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I wasn’t using bluetooth with 7, so you could be right. But if I need to fiddle with wifi beyond just changing what AP I’m connected to, the network settings I typically want to look at, eg disabling adapters or manually setting an IP address, were available in fewer steps in 7 versus 10.

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I heard someone refer to what happened from XP to 10 as “onioneering” because they just added layers.

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TIL Windows is an ogre…

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I would have been happy to pay for continued improvements to DirectX and Vulcan and increasing security and minor useful incremental changes over time keeping the same Windows 7 playbook running. I wish I lived in the timeline where our greatest complaint with Windows is that it hasn’t changed very much in the last 15 years.

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How bad is security if you still have Windows 7 installed today?

Looks like 3% of windows users worldwide could help answer that question. Well, up to 3%… guessing not too many of them are too savvy.

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I try to not connect mine to the internet anymore

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I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that those machines are corporate owned and running legacy systems that are hanging on by a thread.

Every year someone talks about replacing Ol’ Smoky but the new system would need to go through validation and that costs time and money so they limp along for another year

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Vista* but otherwise yes

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From the very beginning, it always had particular features which were designed to make things worse for the users for some business reason for Microsoft. After XP, though, the work in the core OS was basically done - it wasn’t slow or lacking important features or unstable (relatively speaking, at least), and so the only changes being made to it from then on were adding crappiness to it for some reason related to business priorities or just simple stupidity. And so, it entered its slide.

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After XP, though, the work in the core OS was basically done

There were a lot of big things happening in computer hardware: migration to 64-bit instruction sets and memory addressing, multicore processors, the rise of the GPU. The security paradigm also shifted to less trust between programs, with a lot of implementation details on encryption and permissions.

So I’d argue that Windows has some pretty different things going on under the hood from what it was 20 years ago.

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They must’ve stopped with Windows 11 because I’m still on Windows 10 Pro and don’t see even a fraction of the BS I keep hearing about Windows having.

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I think they tried on 8 to make something and it was a flop then they flipped their whole business model upside down when they released 10

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I suppose the weird surprise lesson of the Windows 8 fiasco is no matter how badly they bollixed it up, they wouldn’t lose enough customers that they could afford break a lot more of the user experience than they ever originally thought.

Even Vista, while people had issues*, still provided a largely familiar interface and didn’t go out of its way to break muscle memory and traditional workflows.

IMO, Vista wasn’t as bad as is commonly held. A lot of the problem was that it was more resource-intensive than previous systems-- it really asked for decent graphics cards and 2Gb memory, but they sold a lot of cheap machines with 512Mb and crappy shared-memory chipsets that only qualified as “Vista Basic Capable” so that the manufacturers wouldn’t have to formally declare them obsolete. Some drivers had teething trouble, but switching to 64 bit was going to have growing pains anyway.

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I’m on 11 and don’t see it either because I turned it off a long time ago and it has yet to turn back on, ever.

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Microsoft has always made windows good… … … For them.

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