For two years the dominant propaganda has been : Russia is losing.
Suddenly, we are expected to believe this?
This is what people like @poVoq@slrpnk.net are cheering on.
Tough decisions all around. The army needs people for defense and they seem to only be able to get men (are women being conscribed?). But men also want to live. Their deaths would be less certain on the front lines if NATO countries hadn’t dragged their feet for a decade.
Oh yeah, to forcefully kidnap people from the streets/homes, put them into vans and send them to die a horrible death or not, a truly tough decision we got here…
And please don’t forget, those people for whom this is a hard decision are the good guys trying to save the world, while those who see this as totally not fucking okay are fascists, Russian bots, “want to take our freedom away and kill us”, etc.
Funny you should mention fascists.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
Thanks for all the links.
Being called fascist (which happens a lot on Lemmy for some reason) when speaking out against Ukrainian government which ticks almost all the boxes from the fascism definition on the wikipedia (dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy), is a brand new level of irony… :/
Goshdarnit, I commented on a lemmy.ml post. My bad. Let me exit this echo chamber.
I know, right?
That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…
Let’s get out of here, and head to something like lemmy.world where we can celebrate hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians getting murdered, cheer for continuation of war and call everyone who disagrees with us fascists!
LOL. What are you talking about? Is this an LLM? That response made no sense.
If you can’t understand how ghoulish it is for the western backed regime in Ukraine to force people into fighting against their will, what else is there to say to you.
Yeah, NATO letting this linger and dragging their feet for no reason has resulted in so much extra suffering, it’s the classic case of trying to appease people with a one second single issue attention span while dealing with conflicts that span decades and involve thousands of complex elements.
And of course trying to appease people that literally just want to see the world fall into chaos because order and the long path to social progress aren’t as romantic and fun as playing the heroic idealist. So many people suffer because so few are willing to actually engage with reality.
yeah its a tough decision. get killed in war or get killed by invaders. Do you fight or run when faced with invasion? I think much will depend on if you have wives or children but even single men have mothers and nieces and nephews. Ultimately some will not have such attachments or maybe already lost them to missiles or drones.
Ita crazy how most every post I come across expecting to see people fighting underneath it is posted by this person. It seems they’re only here to cause unrest.
If you prefer to see posts and comments which only regurgitate one single opinion, literally all other social networks are better at that. Lemmy is not a good pick for the echo chambers. Reddit for example seems to have single orthodoxy on the Ukraine war.
Ok yeah but this dudes whole gimmick is posting unpopular opinions without ever seeing the other side. I get having a differing opinion here and there but when you’re whole personality is just ‘what everyone else thinks is wrong’ is crazy to me. I genuinely have never seen this person post something the majority agrees with.
Granted I’ve never just went through his profile, but when I go through my feed and see a post that’s trying to stir up people, 90% of the time it’s Y
I agree that these opinions seem unpopular. But I am not sure if they are. Most people oppose war and even in the Ukrainian war, they support some realistic way of stopping it. Its the job of popular media to make sure that these people feel alone in their opinion and that they believe that most hate the other side. Then there seems to be popular support and funding of the war effort. Good read that you might already know is Manufacturing consent by Noam Chomsky. The sole reason I’m on lemmy is because it still has some realistic community, unlike other sites which just have bots spamming the ‘popular’ opinion. For example where I’m from the correct opinion is to support Israel in all its efforts against Gaza. If one were to read the comments on common articles, which are trying to apologize or shift the blame to others for Israeli war crimes, he would find very strong hate of the clear victims. Yet Ukrainians, all not just the victims, have almost ideological support here. Again something found in Chomskys book regarding unworthy victims.
Yogthos is a Communist that tends to post Agitprop, yes. The goal isn’t the unrest, but the outcome of that unrest.
