A city in northern Germany has become the first to issue an all-out ban on the use of a hand gesture used to encourage silence in the classroom because of its close resemblance to a far-right Turkish gesture.
The “silent fox” gesture – where the hand is posed to resemble an animal with upright ears (the little and forefinger) and a closed mouth (the middle fingers pressed against the thumb) – has long been seen as a useful teaching tool by educators in Germany and elsewhere. It signals to children that they should stop talking and listen to their teacher.
But authorities in the port city of Bremen say the symbol is “in danger of being mistaken” for the right-wing extremist “wolf salute”, from which it is indistinguishable.
So, they’re just gonna let some far-right idiots ruin a much deeper and longstanding culture?
Well, done.
I mean that was always the risk with banning speech. Lots of shit gets co-opted out of it’s original usage. Swastika being the prime example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika. Now those with other cultures that use the symbol in completely different ways gets shafted out of their culture/religion/whatever. Now it’s going to be metal heads… Which you don’t really want to fuck with. We’re generally a crazy bunch.
Anyway this is just fuel for them to co-opt a bunch more shit and censor/ruin cultures that they don’t like. It’s just like the “okay” hand gesture… Next will be “thumbs up” for some insane reasoning/logic.
other cultures that use the symbol in completely different ways gets shafted out of their culture/religion/whatever. Now it’s going to be metal heads…
Based on the description, the gesture described has nothing to do with metal heads…
Based on the description, the gesture described has nothing to do with metal heads…
Well… one usage of it for sure does. BabyMetal has co-opted it into their shtick some decade ago. They retroactively added it to the band as they do put some of the Japanese lore into their stuff… With the kitsune (fox god) being the reference for the hand gesture itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns Just scroll down and you’ll see an image referencing “Yuimetal”, who’s from the original Babymetal lineup (original image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Babymetal_at_2015_GQ_Men_of_the_Year_ceremony.jpg).
Forget that it has other meaning elsewhere, this is just the one that I recognize immediately.
Other’s that I’ve seen brought up…
It does however resemble the “too sweet” sign used in wrestling by backstage friends in WWF known collectively as “the kliq”, later used by some of those friends in WCW’s NWO and in Japan’s NJPW by a group called Bullet Club.
It’s the “silent fox” in germany. Used by the teacher in the Kindergarten when the kids are to loud.
Taking the hand gesture away has everything to do with EVERY culture that uses it.
Yeah. I’m even salty that a beautiful rainbow is no longer just a happy childhood thing but has been turned into sex and gender shit.
Invent your own damn signs and leave these alone!
This is also just a cutesy hand sign for “fox” in Japan, with zero alt-right symbolism. Foxes are a significant part of the mythology there, and there are all sorts of tales about leaving food for fox spirits to bring good fortune. There’s even a prominent vTuber who’s regularly depicted making the sign.
I wish these alt-right fuckwads would stop trying to wreck shit for the rest of the world.
I feels like, the far right will not stop ruining thing to begin with, and with everything banned due to associated with far right movement, they will continue to evolve and adopt their gesture and symbol to further ruining everything just to trigger everyone else. That’s how they empowering themselves, and people took their bait, hook, line, and sinker.
It’s time to considering another way to tackle extremism than to ban symbol and hand sign.
It’s time to considering another way to tackle extremism than to ban symbol and hand sign.
There’s no other way and it’s important to ban extremism. The importance to not give room to Nazi like ideologies is bigger than people no longer doing fox hand gestures in public. Sucks but so it is with a lot of laws, a lot of people aren’t the problem it’s the few that are.
Also, so far we’ve been very successful banning these symbols. The US, not so much and look how well this works out.
If the issue of misuse appears more prominent in Asia, I’m sure they’ll act the same way and ban it.
There’s no other way
All you do is disenfranchise the same people those extremist fucks are looking to disenfranchise to begin with. So if you’re stating there’s no other way… Then you’re helping the extremists.
What about the baby metal fox god?
Baby Metal fans in shambles.
