I know that GUI does not cover most of functionalities, for good reasons - being specialized to task (like files app), it provides more fine-grained experience.
Yet, I find that there are common commands which is terminal-only, or not faithfully implemented. for instance,
- Commands like
apt update/apt upgrademight be needed, as GUI may not allow enough interactions with it. - I heard some immutable distros require running commands for rollbacks.
These could cause some annoyance for those who want to avoid terminal unless necessary (including me). Hence, I bet there are terminal emulators which restricts what commands you could run, and above all, present them as buttons. This will make you recall the commonly used commands, and run them accordingly. Is there projects similar to what I describe? Thanks!
Interesting idea. If you really break it down, the “terminal with command buttons” is similar in concept to saving each of the commands as a script and putting those scripts in a directory to act as “buttons.”
I’ve also seen some programs such as Kopia, a backup tool, that provide a GUI with the equivalent terminal commands for what is bring done shown at the bottom.
I don’t think what you’re describing exists, probably because experts don’t need it and beginners would prefer a full GUI.
There is Nushell, which promises more helpful error responses for the terminal, but its too early for it to be targeted at beginners in my opinion.
As much as I love nushell it will ever be too early for beginners, POSIX compliance is a big problem there. They have their very good reasons to not be POSIX compliant, but someone starting out should familiarize themselves with the most common pattern first before jumping to something completely different that will prevent them from running code snippets they might find online.
Just create GUI application for the things you want. There’s already lots of them.
Otherwise there’s always “–help”.
I mean, there are already tons of applications that lets you e.g. update, like apt update/upgrade does.
One issue with it is that it fails time to time, and error messages the GUI usually conveys are subpar. That’s why I think you cannot avoid terminals. I just want some middle ground for that.
Also, ik this is nitpicking but… while apt is good on this front… what about the CLIs whose --help gives hundreds of lines?
I mean, there are already tons of applications that lets you e.g. update, like
apt update/upgradedoes.
Bingo.
while apt is good on this front… what about the CLIs whose --help gives hundreds of lines?
Read them. There’s a reason some programs have many options. Avoiding the CLI isn’t the solution.
The apps just fail and crash randomly, any linux users cannot entirely rely on them. Well, I guess linux is destined for 2% of desktop users, who can use terminal on a daily basis, and current rise is just a fluke.
Coming back to this with thoughts. What you’re describing sounds a lot like a menu tree.
“Press 1 to do this, 2 to do that, 3 to go to submenu A, 4 for B,” etc. 1
“You have pressed 1. Do you want to turn on option ABC? [Y / n]” Y
“Do you want option QWERTY47? [Y/n]” N
“Are you sure you want to run notthebees --abc --no-qwerty47? [Y/n]” N
“Aborted.”
It sounds like a standards problem waiting to happen because no two menus will be alike, but hey, things like this can and do exist, and setting one up isn’t that hard, only time consuming.
Something like this can kind of be achieved programmatically by unraveling bash completion arguments and loosely parsing terminal help strings.
They aren’t all formatted uniformly though, so you’ll need to come up with a filtering mechanism to prevent returning garbage. You’ll also always be a little out of date…
This was my thought exactly. And I also had the same assessment that having various arguments be context aware would be challenging, since some have sub-arguments of their own (with further sub-arguments of their own, etc.) but can sometimes be strung together all on the same line. How do you determine if someone wants an ascendant argument or a descendant argument when you’re three layers deep into the tree?
You would have to make opinionated decisions, which was the whole reason to avoid scripts in the first place. Seems like it would be better to just make executable scripts (which is what Fedora Atomics basically do with the just command) or gamify learning how to work in the terminal.
I know that GUI does not cover most of functionalities
specialized to task
Yet, I find that there are common commands
present them as buttons
Congratulations you just reinvented the GUI while trying to get away from it at the same time.
Perhaps something a little more “in-between” the two might be a GUI that allows running arbitrary programs… something smarter than a launcher but more generic than a purpose-built function-limited interface… if such a thing can even exist.
I don’t think there is one yet… it would need some kind of way to understand the possible options and parameters for any given CLI program, and without a standardized interface for that, error-prone scraping of --help or just hard-coding popular options is probably the best you could do. Hopefully it wouldn’t end up looking something like the Scratch programming IDE though.
This reminds of jc which is kindof the opposite where it scrapes the output of common commands to present a more unified (JSON) syntax for other programs to consume and automate better.
There are already libraries like clap that allow the developer to specify all their arguments including short and long variants and description strings. I think some of them will automatically generate --help based on the specified options. I could imagine a library that takes the same specifications and makes an interactive menu or a tui form out of them. It’s an interesting idea.
This actually exists, but for a different operating system. The AS400 (aka iSeries) had a command line where programs had a standard way to specify parameters, so that pressing a prompt key (F4) would allow you to build the proper command line by filling a form. I do miss that, pity it doesn’t exist for Linux.
