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The corporate branding, the new “AI-powered developer platform” slogan, makes it clear that what I think of as “GitHub”—the traditional website, what are to me the core features—simply isn’t Microsoft’s priority at this point in time.

Microsoft software is all like this: the features users want and would find most useful are never a priority, nor are the bugs that annoy existing users. The priority is whatever some unholy alliance of management and marketing have pulled out of their corporate bottoms as the focus of this month’s promotion. It doesn’t seem even to be about what would drive sales, since customers like things that work. It’s some logic that only makes sense to the businesspeople who speak that absolutely vapid buzzword slurry that gushes from Satya Nadella’s mouth. I don’t get it, but it’s very consistent with Microsoft.

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They want to make stuff that look good in the quarterly earnings report. They want to show they’re fully committed to AI in all their products or whatever.

They don’t want satisfied customers. They want satisfied investors.

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The same thing happens at Amazon. First they screwed up the product search by treating the user’s query as a suggestion rather than as a requirement. Now reports are coming out saying that the search bar has been replaced by an AI prompt with very badly summarized and often wrong results.

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M$‘s priority is to draw new people on their products and make people upgrade to higher tiers. Existing users are none of their concern. There are business models who will put the product team to focus on existing users. One way is an open source product run by the users community, another way is product relying on the effect of word of mouth.

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Give a hacker a github, they’ll commit for a week.

Give a hacker a mailing list and an ssh, and they’ll be selfhosting for the rest of their life.

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Right, because mailing lists are easier to use

Hiring the barrier of entry is one way to reduce your ticket load. And, uh, not having any ticket system at all.

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“Hiring”? Is “raising” a better word?

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I don’t know what’s happening at github, but even the tree page rendering is annoyingly slow now. I wish they stopped ruining a working product by bloating it up with unnecessary ‘features’.

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It was bought by Microsoft and all efforts are going towards AI shit. Once they have your subscriptions to copilot, windows, github, etc, they dont give a fuck about making anything easier for you

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Hey now. A lot of that effort has been poured into turning a code forge into a corpo social media platform like Microsoft LinkedIn as well as a way to siphon out a percent chunk of donations via Sponsors too.

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It’s kind of neat you can launch a version of Visual Studio code by pressing ‘.’ though.

Still not sure why, especially given that it’s pretty much impossible to find out that you can even do that.

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I can understand why it excites you. But I’m old enough to recognize that if you cede control of your offline tools like IDE to them, they will eventually exploit it to make money by ruining your day. I’m perfectly happy sacrificing a bit of convenience to protect myself against rent seeking in the future.

Honestly in this day and age where everything runs inside containers, you should be able to do that in your home server. Distrobox proves it. Even a good alternative to vscode exists - theia by eclipse - that’s designed to do exactly this.

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Fediverse version of github when? Unless it already exists?

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It’s called git. It’s been distributed from day 1. GitHub was an attempt to centralize it.

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Yeah… does git have issue tracking? actions? C’mon: it’s not like github & co. are just git.

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It doesn’t have discussions, it doesn’t offer pull request management with commented/annotated code reviews, it doesn’t have built-in ssh and key management features, no workflows, no authorization tools of any kind…

In short I find the “just use git itself lmao” to be an exceedingly weird thing to say and I find it even weirder that it gets said as often as it does and it gets upvoted so much. Git by itself is not very useful at all if there are more than one a half people working on the same code.

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Again, like OP said, those are typically distinct functionality: issue tracking, source control, deployment etc. GitHub bringing everything into one platform is atypical and obviously done for the goal of centralization. The more stuff you add to a platform the harder it makes it to leave or replicate.

But no, technically speaking you don’t need to have all of it in one place. There’s no reason for which you must manage everything together.

I don’t even understand why people like GitHub so much, its source management sucks. The fact it still doesn’t have a decent history visualization to this day is mind-boggling.

Look for ways to do things separately and you will find much better tools. GitHub’s “one size fits all” approach is terrible and only holds because people are too lazy to look for any alternative.

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36 points

Forgejo is what you’re wanting

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That seems to be it. I didn’t know that existed.

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I’m glad I get to introduce you to it! The biggest instance is Codeberg. Fediverse integration isn’t there yet but the general consensus is its coming very soon since that’s Codeberg’s main focus for the forgejo project right now

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Git is already decentralized

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They’re asking for a federated forge, not decentralized VCS.

I should be able to log into my own instance and use that account to open a bug report with your project, for example.

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Forgejo is working on that, but it’s not there yet.

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Github is more than just git. We need decentralized solutions for associated services and persistently online repos.

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15 points

Gitlab and forgejo

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Something like radicle?

https://radicle.xyz/

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Piping curl into sh in install instructions is a fast track to me not taking a project seriously

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Yeah, like Lemmy

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I’ve heard this over and over… what’s the difference security-wise between sudo running some install script and sudo installing a .deb (or whatever package format) ?

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Just install it manually via cargo then.

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8 points

I once heard of torrent git

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I’ve read that GitLab is experimenting with the concept.

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The problem wasn’t that the line I wanted wasn’t on the page—it’s that the whole document wasn’t being rendered at once, so my browser’s builtin search bar just couldn’t find it.

I feel like this has been the case for a while now. Luckily they offer other search tools so its a gotcha that you only have to hit once.

In edit mode they capture the crtl-f keystrokes and offer their own search and replace tool. An argument could be made that they should offer a custom search tool for read mode if they are going to break the browsers built in tooling.

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It captures it even outside of edit mode while in git blame.

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