Who’da thunk, battery life sells battery powered devices.
So let’s keep making phones thinner and thinner while simultaneously growing the camera bump instead of making a flat profile with, say, 2 days of life!
So on one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I think lightness is a thing people care about. I recently needed to get some photos backed up off an old phone of mine, and I didn’t realize how heavy my current one is until I picked up my old one. Thinness is irrelevant, but a 50% weight difference is not. Other than that, I don’t think most people get much utility out of more than a day of battery life, so 1.5 days new degrading down to 1 seems reasonable and in line with what most people want.
I have a Samsung A71. It permanently lives in its protective case which gives it good bumpers around the easily-breakable edge-to-edge screen. It’s now 4 years old and has survived numerous tumbles and drops over the years.
Occasionally I have to swap the SD card in it and I am always astonished at how thin and light and fragile it is when not in the case.
I would quite happily have an actual similar size phone to what “I have now” if the battery size was bumped up another 50 percent.
You’re missing something though: phone cell or battery capacity has been getting bigger, not smaller. The issue isn’t the batteries, it’s the other hardware and software needing more and more energy. Modern phones are much faster, have better screens at higher resolution, brightness, even refresh rate. All of this uses energy, even with modern technology being as awesome as it is. Qualcomm, TSMC, ARM, and Apple put quite a bit of work into making these things as efficient as they can be, but we keep demanding more and more from these devices. For many they replaced laptops after all.
It’s a bit like complaining that your new ultra high performance sports car is getting bad range, and complaining about the fuel tank or battery instead of the engine. The tank has only gotten bigger or at least stayed the same, but the engine has gotten hungrier and hungrier with each generation.
That’s a contributing factor to battery life remaining stagnant. Manufacturers use those advances while continuing to slim phones rather than making an actually flat brick that uses those advances to drastically increase battery life. Regardless of the energy needs of the phone manufacturers can use the difference in height between the back of a phone and the camera bump to include more battery capacity and it will increase both the daily and usable life of the phone.
Exactly. I really liked my old phone, the Moto G Power, which:
- had no camera bump
- had 2+ days battery life
- was pretty affordable (I think it was $250 new?)
I still have it for stuff around the house (gets like 3-4 days w/o the SIM), and I would totally still be using it as my main phone if it still got security updates. The screen is a little larger than I want, but it has been a solid phone for me.
I got a Pixel 8 mostly because of the longer software support and GrapheneOS support, and I honestly don’t care about the camera, and the big bump is pretty annoying. I really wish I could just have my Moto G Power w/ a small screen and longer software support. In fact, I’d totally use a Pinephone if it had reliable calls and texts, better battery life, and better audio quality. I really don’t need much, I just need a phone that will keep working for years and not need to be recharged throughout the day…
My phone has a 22000mAh battery. I never consider charging it unless I’m going to the woods overnight, and then only to be sure I have a power bank.
Almost half of over 50 hospitals already have these new devices? I highly doubt that. Are you referring to one of the really bad old windows on arm devices, or like an android tablet or something?
Copilot+ is a reason not to buy one of those laptops. It’s a privacy and security nightmare.
Pretending it’s not locked down like the og surface arm devices, I’d consider getting one and totally drop some flavour of linux on it, 3:2 is a great aspect ratio for laptops.
Otherwise yeah, I wouldn’t go anywhere near it
Edit: apparently I don’t need to pretend, this hasn’t been an issue for a while so that’s actually great
They’re BIOS locked and only accept Windows keys. On the plus side. Tuxedo is developing Linux notebooks with the same powerful, low-power ARM chips.
Yeah, I assumed so, really dislike that you can’t do what you want with hardware you own.
Edit: apparently not locked down, which is great
If you mean app compatibility, the only programs that will have issues are those needing AVX2
Wasn’t even thinking about that, I have an old surface rc2 that’s totally useless because MS abandoned it years ago and it’s locked down so you can’t install an alternate os on it. To be fair, I’m not sure how useful it could be but it’s really about the fact I can’t do what I want with hardware I own.
Edit: apparently this (locked down) hasn’t been an issue for a while so that’s actually great
It is not bootloader locked, Linux support is WIP
EDIT: Source here https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/1dnu5nw/comment/ladiom2/?context=3
Is it that different than standard Windows? Either way I’m just hyped that it seems the age of ARM desktops is upon us, I definitely won’t be using any “Copilot+” branded OS though.
I’m not following this story closely but my understanding is that Copilot+ ones have a magical special chip (and keyboard button) and they take screenshots every few seconds so you can search your history. But, at least in the beta releases, they didn’t bother to mask passwords or really anything. You could have a private key in a screenshot.
I would hope by the final release, they add the bare minimum of security and encrypt it all but that’s not really good enough. It’s a misguided attempt to shoehorn Copilot into everything when A.I. can’t even wipe its own ass yet. Maybe someday. Probably not, though.
It’s clearly a gimmick and not an improvement. Press the “copilot button” and get help! But the copilot button isn’t a new button. It’s actually left-Shift + Windows key + F23. Modern computers don’t have F23 key but you can simulate it. I sure hope no hackers learn how to do that and search your entire history!
What you are thinking of is Recall, which is a selling point of Copilot+ PCs. As a correction, recall is opt-in, password protected and encrypted in the latest versions. Hitting the Copilot key will launch Copilot, which is a GPT4 AI assistant with image capabilities. Copilot+ itself just means the pc has
at least 16GB of RAM, 256GB of storage and an NPU (Neural Processing Unit) capable of at least 40 TOPS (trillion operations per second) onboard.
As well as the copilot key on laptops.
the age of ARM desktops is upon us
I remain unconvinced that this is some big paradigm shift, and that the instruction set itself is mostly irrelevant for battery life and performance per watt.
Yes, Apple achieved a big jump with its first M1 at delivering some pretty amazing performance per watt, compared to contemporary chips from Intel.
But a closer look has shown that each successive generation of M-series Apple Silicon has been chasing higher performance at the cost of energy efficiency. Which is fine, but shrinks the gap.
And then, if you look at AMD’s low power x86_64 CPUs for laptops, you’ll see that they’re also able to deliver significant power savings compared to Intel. Comparing like for like, in terms of TSMC node, you see that AMD performance per watt seems to be in line with Apple’s. It’s just that Apple’s comparative advantage in business/legal strategy (not engineering) has them locking up TSMC capacity earlier.
Finally, a comparison of Apple’s mobile ARM SoCs to other manufacturers’ mobile ARM SoCs (including Qualcomm and Samsung) shows that Apple has a significant performance/efficiency lead over even other ARM chips.
So it’s probably not the instruction set. It’s just the engineering of the chips themselves, boosted by Apple’s business/logistics strategies getting their products to market first.
I got the Surface Pro X a few years ago purely for battery life, performance be damned. Great decision, and it fit my use-case perfectly. Maybe a little too perfectly for Qualcomm, because I have no reason to upgrade to something more performant when all I cared about was the battery life.
Edit: This recent push towards Windows on ARM is also benefiting these old WOA devices. Programs that would barely run before (because they were compiled for x86 and had to be emulated on a chip that could hardly handle all that extra overhead) are now getting native ARM version releases that run way better. In my experience, my Pro X’s performance has effectively been improving as time goes on, so I have even less of a reason to get anything new.
I know how Microsoft can increase battery life by between roughly 50%-100%, depending on model.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
Battery capacities34
Surface Laptop 13.8”: Battery Capacity Nominal (Wh) 54 Battery Capacity Min (Wh) 52
Surface Laptop 15”: Battery Capacity Nominal (Wh) 66 Battery Capacity Min (Wh) 64
Offer a 100 Wh battery.
Is this really a surprise to anyone outside of the AI hype machine?
Not really no, it also likely isn’t a surprise to the engineers and project managers working on these products. Which is likely exactly why they have standout battery life: the project managers knew AI wouldn’t sell so they made the laptops appealing via conventional means anyway.
The project manager wouldn’t have a say in battery life, as it’s really just because of the ARM chip.
And I don’t think anyone thinks Copilot is good in its current form, AI hype or not. It feels like a web app with no real control over the machine.
It’s a common misconception but ARM isn’t inherently better at battery life than x86 though. It’s more that Qualcomm’s designs are as compared to the companies on the market that produce x86 hardware.
