I think “plagiarism” refers to taking credit for the work of others. Using other people’s work to make your own isn’t “plagiarism” if you give credit. This doesn’t mean AI is good, just that “plagiarism” isn’t the correct word.
What I said was
[It] isn’t “plagiarism” if you give credit.
This is different from saying “If you don’t give credit, it’s plagiarism.”
Put another way: it is sufficient for something to not be plagiarism if all materials are credited, but that doesn’t necessarily mean everything that doesn’t do that is plagiarism per-se. It is beyond the scope of my musings to reckon the minimum requirement of non-accreditation for something to qualify as “plagiarism”.
AI plagiarism wouldn’t be a problem if it weren’t for intellectual copyright and capitalism. Ironically, the status quo of AI art being public domain is absolutely based, as the fruits of our stolen labor belong to us. The communists and anarchists should totally make nonprofit AI art that nobody is allowed to own. Reclaiming AI would be awesome!
Unfortunately, tech bros want to enslave all artists along with the rest of the workers, so they’ll rewrite copyright law to turn AI into their exclusive property. It’ll be an exception with no justification besides “greed=good”
Even in a hypothetical utopia, the thought of a sea of slop drowning the creative world makes my skin crawl. Imagine putting your heart and soul into something only to watch some machine liquify it into an ugly paste in a nanosecond, then it goes on to do the same thing a million times in a row. It’s hard enough to get noticed in this world, and now every passion project has to compete with the diseased inbred freak clones of other passion projects? It makes me feel so goddamn angry that some asshole felt the need to invent such a thing, and for what? What problem does it solve? Why do you need to use up a cities worth of water to make a six fingered Sailor Moon?
I generally agree (especially with the current critique of using up water/power just for one image)
But I can’t get behind “this tool will make people who don’t use it feel bad”. The same arguments were levied against Photoshop and now it’s a tool in the arsenal. The same arguments were levied against the camera. And I could see the same argument against the printing press (save those poor monks doing calligraphy)
The goal of “everything shall be AI” is fucked and clearly wrong. That doesn’t mean there isn’t any use for it. People who wanna crank out slop will give up when there’s no money in it and it doesn’t grant them attention.
And I say this as someone who despises how every website has an AI chatbot popping up when I visit their site and every search engine is offloading actually visiting and reading pages to AI summaries
This is where I’m coming from. Generative AI is pretty cool and useful, but it has severe limitations that most people don’t comprehend. Machine learning can automate countless time consuming tasks. This is especially true in the entertainment industry, where it’s just another tool for production to use.
Businesses fail to understand is that it cannot perform deductive tasks without necessarily making errors. It can only give probable outputs, not outputs that must be correct based on the input. It goes against the very assumptions we make about computer logic, as it doesn’t work on deductive reasoning.
Generative AI works by emulating biological intelligence, taking principles of neuroscience to solve problems quickly and efficiently. However, this gives AI similar weaknesses to our own minds, imagining things and baking in bias. It can never give the accurate summaries Google hopes it can, as it will only ever tell us what it thinks we want to hear. They keep misusing it in ways that either waste everyone’s time, or do serious harm.
You sound like my grandparents complaining about techno musicians sampling music instead of playing it themselves.
Good art can be created with any medium. You view AI as replacing art, future musicians will understand it and use it to create art.
AIs take away attribution as well as copyright. The original authors don’t get any credit for their creativity and hard work. That is an entirely separate thing from ownership and property.
It is not at all OK for an AI to take a work that is in the public domain, erase the author’s identity, and then reproduce it for people, claiming it as its own.
Is one of those things giving attribution? If I ask for a picture of Mount Fuji in the style of a woodblock print, can the AI tell me what its inspirations were?
The sad thing is there is currently a vibrant open source scene around generative ai. There is a strong media campaign against it, as to manipulate the general population so they clamor for a strengthening of copyrights laws.
This won’t lead to these tools disappearing, it will just force them behind pricey and censored subscription models while open source options wither and die.
They do indeed want to enslave us, and will do it with the help of people like OP.
IP, like every part of capitalism, has been totally turned against the artists it claimed to protect. If they want it to only be a chain that binds us, we need to break it. They had their chance to make it work for workers, and they squashed it. If we can’t buy into the system, we have every reason to oppose it.
On a large scale, this will come in the form of “crime,” not revolutionary action. With no social contract binding anyone voluntarily, people will do what they must to serve their own interests. Any criminal activity that weakens the system more than the people must be supported whole heartedly. Smuggling and theft from the wealthy; true Robin Hood marks; are worthy of support. Vengeance from those scarred by the system is more justice than state justice. Revolution isn’t what the fat cats need to fear.
That already exists, AI has FOSS models built by normal people and not huge corporations. People run these on their own machines at home and make images without the techbros in the process at all.
I know about those models, which is why I’m bringing this up. Communists just need to make more stuff!
But it’s already there and made, normal people just need to stop assuming it’s all corpo.
It’s random slop shat out by a machine. Art requires a living, breathing human with thoughts, emotions, and experiences, otherwise it’s just a pile of shit.
AI is a tool. The product can be a random slop if you give it sloppy instructions, or someone can realize this way their great artistic idea that they would not be able to make real otherwise. The pictures don’t just generate themselves, you know? It’s living priple who tell the machine what’s on their minds. If your mind is creative, the results can be good.
It’s only immoral, not inherently of lower quality. Aesthetics and ethics aren’t about what actually is, but about what should be. Even if an AI and a person produce the same image, the AI isn’t a living, breathing human. AI art isn’t slop because of its content, but because of the economic context. That’s a far better reason to hate it than its mistakes and shortcomings.
Lemmy when discussing health care: Karl Marx
Lemmy when discussing creative works: Ayn Rand
It would sure be cool if all art could belong to all people.
Sadly, as long as we live in a profit driven system, there needs to be a way for artists to claim ownership over their work.
I don’t see how people think this is any sort of slam dunk or how it could go against leftist principles.
It would sure be cool if all health care could be access by all people.
Sadly, as long as we live in a profit driven system, there needs to be a way for doctors to make money from their work.
So… Sounds like the health insurance companies, the companies that buy and redistribute intellectual properties for profit, and the general for profit systems are the problem?
And no one on the left is advocating for a system where doctors would not be getting paid for their work under capitalism.
Yeah, let a small number of billionaires to steal both the work and job of artists, then flood the market for art with poorly made mass produced garbage, because some idea guys are still pissed off about his artist and programmer friends not teaming up to make him GTA but set in his hometown, with VR support.
As someone who is largely around the art community admiring and sharing thier work, the fact that I could confuse AI Generated Images and thusly falsely share or save them has been such a huge anxiety of mine every since 2022
One easy way to check is the look for JPEG artifacts that doesn’t make any sense. A lot of the systems were trained with images stored as JPEGs, so the output will have absurd amounts of JPEG artifacting that will show up in ways that make no sense for something that actually went through JPEG compression, such as having multiple grids of artifacts that don’t line up or of wildly different scales.
I’m really bad at noticing small details. Luckily 99% of AI artists use the same art style (with more or less Pixar influence for humans) so I can still spot AI imagery from a mile away
Wow, you sure are a technical genius.
https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-people-planet-are-all-donald-trump
because I don’t make art to sell, I’d love to train an Ai on my pics or songs and then see what it can make when given cool prompts :)
But I’m far from the competitive capitalism scene so I more view such an activity with a sense of wonder instead of anything to do with a loss of paid work.
