249 points

From the article:

"…journalist Liz Pelly has conducted an in-depth investigation, and published her findings in Harper’s—they are part of her forthcoming book Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist.

"Now she writes:

‘What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform.’

In other words, Spotify has gone to war against musicians and record labels."

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22 points

Can someone explain why this is bad? It seems like normal behaviour of corporations.

Or has spotify previously committed to being a fair market?

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57 points

This is like a soup joint that’s trying to see how much they can piss in the broth before customers notice.

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17 points

That would be a health hazard, so it’s not really comparable.

It seems more like a soup joint using cheaper ingredients in their dishes, which is just… normal? I don’t get what the big deal is.

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10 points

This is a completely disingenuous comparison.

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5 points

Better check the TOS doesn’t include acceptance of various concentrations of piss…

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34 points

The normal behavior of corporations IS bad. By definition.

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13 points

IANAL but it seems akin to the antitrust case against Microsoft for bundling their own web browser in with Windows or movie studios also owning theaters and giving preferential treatment to their own films.

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8 points

You seem to be saying that something normal and legal cannot be bad.

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7 points

Just because it’s normal doesn’t me it isn’t bad.

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I’m just surprised that anyone didn’t assume this was happening. If most people are using playlists generated by Spotify, how are they not expecting Spotify to choose songs that are also in their interest? Furthermore, how would this be different from the practices of a radio station? Seems like manufactured outrage to me.

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3 points

Unfair competition.

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2 points

Published in January 2025, seeing the URL, huh.

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4 points

The article is an excerpt from the full report, which comes out next month.

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11 points

So basically Payola 2.0

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170 points

I mean they paid Joe Rogan $100 million dollars so they have already wrecked their reputation.

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66 points

Ngl, I canceled them and haven’t gone back since. Don’t really miss it much, I try to use the same cost as my subscription to buy music every month on CD when I can.

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I have recently discovered Qobuz (French company). You can purchase digital music. They aren’t cheap, but they have selection and hi-res music (sometimes 24 bit).

But good on you for the CDs, too!

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11 points

I heard they pay artists a lot more. Need to double check.

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8 points

I just want to remind people that you may still have a used CD store in your city, also 2nd hand stores for CDs. They tend to be quite cheap these days.

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5 points

I cancelled it the second I found out how easy it was to get it for free.

I still buy FLAC releases individually from artists I like, I just use Shittify for discovery. Fuck 'em.

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3 points

Yeah, I switched to deezer then, haven’t had any trouble with it.

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103 points

There’s a reason why artists have to sell 50$ t-shirts at shows. Back in the days, the label would leech you dry, and now it’s Spotify, on top of your label

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27 points

Yes and…

Lily Allen and Kate Nash are on OnlyFans and make more money there…

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17 points

Yeah, but that’s probably partially due to their existing fame.

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7 points

Well, yeah.

They make more money from OF than from Spotify… and they are not doing porn.

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91 points

The last and only truth I needed to know about Spotify was it’s 250 million dollar deal with Joe Rogan, who is antivax incel cancer, and that was it for me. No need to learn or know any more about them.

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An obscure Swedish jazz musician got more plays than most of the tracks on Jon Batiste’s We Are—which had just won the Grammy for Album of the Year (not just the best jazz album, but the best album in any genre). How was that even possible?

LOL a couple obvious reasons are that Spotify listeners don’t get to vote for grammy awards - only a few thousand people do - and to be eligible for a grammy an album has to be released in the United States. The awards are more heavily influenced by album sales than subjective judgements of musical quality. Jimi Hendrix never won a grammy. Neither did Bob Marley or Diana Ross. There’s a lot already wrong with the grammys.

The fake musicians and possibly AI-generated songs are more interesting. If the music industry is trying to eliminate musicians it wouldn’t be to avoid paying them - they’ve already figured out lots of ways to do that - it would be to have complete control over the music.

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The awards are more heavily influenced by album sales than subjective judgements of musical quality.

Do you know who Jon Batiste is?

The album won on quality. The sales spiked after the win.

https://www.universalmusic.ca/press-releases/jon-batistes-we-are-catapults-to-global-success-after-winning-album-of-the-year-at-the-grammy-awards/

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That’s a good counterexample. Do you know what “more heavily influenced” means? It means “not always universally every time, but more often”.

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1 point

I have no idea what you’re trying to say. It’s not a counter example. It is literally the example given in the article, which you quoted.

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2 points

I only listen to obscure Swedish jazz musician.

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And Lenin said, “the best way to undermine society is through its music” — Bob Duvall

It’s a fake quote from Lenin, but suitably apt.

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Weird how we’re supposed to think something is true and wise if it’s attached to somebody famous.

“Bleach cures anything.” – William Shakespeare

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