-11 points

This would make the protocol less secure. Currently is limited to set software and hardware. It’s very difficult to exploit.

It would also provided access to more information about the user than they currently would expect to share when they have airdrop enabled.

Apple would have to redesign airdrop significantly to support this or risk major privacy and security issues. If apple does this you should stop using airdrop.

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1 point

Yah, I don’t think you actually know how the tech works under the hood. Not true.

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0 points

I don’t think you know how it works. AirDrop isn’t the same as Bluetooth or local network sharing. Its significantly more complex and requires access to both parties location and contacts.

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4 points

If you want this kind of security you aren’t using a snartphone.

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7 points

Apple would have to redesign airdrop significantly

How will they ever afford it!?

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-3 points

Jesus titty fucking Christ. I don’t want to deal with Apple dogshit chattery protocols.

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7 points

You don’t have to, just don’t use it.

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15 points

I can’t tell if I’m just too old and infirmed to understand the information needs of the younger generations. But between nearby share, wifi direct, and bluetooth transfer… I have no idea what function I am missing out on. What does airdrop do that makes life so tedious in the absence of?

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3 points

AirDrop is just a fancy marketing term for WiFi-direct file transfers.

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1 point

All of those never work with all of the devices you want to share with or to. And some of them are really cumbersome to set up. Airplay especially makes it really easy to stream content to a larger screen, and most Android solutions are either also proprietary or are not supported by a large enough spectrum of devices.

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Airdrop is a little bit less friction than all of the other technologies you mention, but the real problem is that Apple has declined to implement any of the technologies you mentioned, and decided to only support Airdrop for transferring files between devices.

So it you want to transfer a file from iPhone to iPhone, than Airdrop is easy and frictionless.

If you want to transfer a file from Android to Android, then you have all the options you mention and many more to choose from.

But if you want to transfer a file from iPhone to Android (or Android to iPhone), then there basically isn’t any options. Airdrop doesn’t work on Android because Apple doesn’t allow it. And all the options you mentioned doesn’t work be cause Apple has refused to implement them.

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2 points

if you want to transfer a file from iPhone to Android (or Android to iPhone), then there basically isn’t any options.

Back before I got my iPhone I remember transferring files from my Android to and from my iPad and MacBook. This was back in 2019 so I cannot recall exactly how it was done, but it was some Bluetooth thing I did.

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13 points

LocalSend works on them all, its open source and is completely frictionless.

https://localsend.org/

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You are correct, and I use it myself, right up until you aren’t on the same local network…

I actually haven’t tested whether it works if you make a mobile hotspot… But being out in a bar that doesn’t offer WiFi, would then require you to first set up a mobile hotspot, get the other person to connect, then download localsend before you can actually transfer the file. And even if the bar offered WiFi, you would kinda hope that the bar has enabled client isolation on the network to avoid spreading malware… But that would in turn defeat Localsend.

With Airdrop you don’t need any of that, given that both people have iDevices

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3 points

LocalSend is so good 👌

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2 points

I suppose I don’t understand what you mean when you say “friction”. I’m assuming you mean some sort of difficulty or complexity that makes the process less straightforward than “pressing button make airdrop go brrrr” - in which case I would say is entirely consistent with the ecosystem apple has made for itself.

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5 points

I don’t own an Apple device, but the few time I have interacted with Airdrop it has basically been:

  • Press button to share something with Airdrop
  • Select the device to send to
  • target device receives notification to accept.
  • Press accept
  • Done

And this has just worked regardless of which combination of Apple devices I had available at the time.

In the ideal case this is just as simple for Androids. But I have tried many different combinations of the technologies that was mentioned above and different types of devices, different brands. And sometimes it just works. But way too often I see a failure for the devices to discover eachother, or once discovered the file failed to transfer, with no obvious explanation of why.

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7 points

Also curious. All I know is that sharing via bluetooth seemed to be strangely absent from IPhones last time I checked. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I swear we couldn’t find it. Ended up sharing photos over the PC with a USB cable like in the old days. Interacting with apple users and their walled garden is always an experience…

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6 points

Yes, it is absent, in favour of the proprietary AirDrop.

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4 points

Lol, yet again, apple makes its products proprietary to the extent of unusability, but it’s the rest of the world that must adopt apple’s garbage just so iphone users can actually function… Meanwhile I have to listen to the most entitled braindead morons forever crow about how the rest of the world should just get an iphone so that their iphone will work. I literally don’t know a single android user that gives a shit what device other people use. But I have to hear about it weekly from iphone users.

I’ve just decided that I don’t care.

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LocalSend should be a core util of every OS

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localsend kinda sucks for sharing files to someone else on a trip or whatever because you need to be on the same network, and on a network that allows device detection. Most public wifi does not.

I figured out a hotspot worked, but it’s still miles less convenient than airdrop

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oh yah it would be awesome if localsend could toggle a hotspot and generate a quick link for other localsend clients to connect. that would prob require more permissions than apple will ever allow.

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10 points

Hm… I’m all for open standards, but Apple should retain the right to develop features that work exclusively on their devices (provided their devices support alternative protocols to avoid total lock-in). As open-source and linux loving as I am, I’m a willing prisoner of the Apple closed garden because I appreciate how refined and integrated everything is. (Others’ experience may differ)

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The way I read it, they’re not asked to follow an open standard, but to provide a specification for their own standard. That means that they could dictate the pace of development and others could decide for themselves wether or not to implement it for their devices. It’s similar to WhatsApp being forced to provide third parties with API access.

Also, they currently don’t support alternative protocols with cross-platform support and they’re not going to, unless forced.

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9 points

iPhone does notsupport file sharing over Bluetooth, so it invalidates the condition you put between ().

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4 points

Huh… Didn’t know. Thanks for pointing it out!

Okay, the EU can have Airdrop.

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Yeah, I don’t get. Let Apple have their walled garden and people can choose to be in or out. They don’t have a monopoly in any hardware or software market, do they?

If so many people choose their walled garden to make them a monopoly then start forcing them open.

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21 points

The experience can still be refined and integrated, without having closed systems for something as simple as sharing a file to another phone. Why would you be against adding more value to your device?

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Maintaining backwards compatibility isn’t easy, and cross compatibility just adds more complexity.

The good and the bad of Apple not having the best backwards compatibility is they don’t have to waste time on that. They can do what they do well and make the experience as smooth and seamless as possible. And most importantly move quickly.

I mean just look at windows. Windows 11 has gotten so much shit because they’re trying to change so many things, but they legitimately just can’t. Or on Linux look at its backwards compatibility. That shits a nightmare. Things like flat pack should fix it. But it only fixes it if everything is on flat pack.

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Yeah true, so hard to do with their billions of dollars.

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