Let me know if this is appropriate for this community.
I’ve been collecting links to post, blog, article, comment, etc that criticize the fediverse, whether it’s about the specific apps or fediverse in general, whether it’s about the technical aspect or about the social aspect.
If you also found one, feel free to share it here.
(date format is YYYY-MM-DD)
2024
- https://lemmy.world/post/11519703 - Lemmy is a bigger echo chamber than reddit, 2024-02-03
- https://lemmy.world/post/11720592 - Lemmy users lack nuace and it stops actual discussion., 2024-02-08
- https://lemmy.world/post/12352000 - Lemmy is not immune to trolls, bad fait actors or propaganda - in fact, despite how bad reddit is, a lot of Lemmy instances are worse, 2024-02-24
- https://wedistribute.org/2024/02/tear-down-walls-not-bridges/ - Tear Down Walls, and Build Bridges, 2024-02-13
- https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/ - Content Nation Backlash Highlights Mastodon’s Toxicity, 2024-03-02
- https://reddit.com/r/fediverse/comments/1b76cbo/fediverse_is_not_so_good/ - Fediverse is not so good…, 2024-03-05
- https://kevquirk.com/blog/linux-elitism-again - Linux Elitism…Again, 2024-04-14
- https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/1g1g844/why_is_mastodon_struggling_to_survive - Why is Mastodon struggling to survive?, 2024-10-12
- https://lemmy.world/post/19004972 - Lemmy wouldn’t really takeoff to replace Reddit until it’s content is search indexable, 2024-08-24
- https://evergreenfiles.com/blogs/the-fediverse-desperately-needs-sustainable-file-hosting - The Fediverse Desperately Needs Sustainable File Hosting, 2024-11-04
- https://lemmy.world/post/22316287 - I really want to like Lemmy, 2024-11-22
- https://bsky.app/profile/techconnectify.bsky.social/post/3lbs4ihb2gs24 - Technology Connection’s thread on Bluesky about Mastodon being a ghost town and more, 2024-11-26
- https://transfem.social/notes/a16rvjhkk34b00tf - […] if you are explaining the fediverse to a non-tech person, “it’s like email” is not a sufficient explanyation., 2024-11-30
2023
- https://pawb.social/post/42756 - “Tanky” and the perception of Lemmy., 2023-06-14
- https://erinkissane.com/mastodon-is-easy-and-fun-except-when-it-isnt - Mastodon Is Easy and Fun Except When It Isn’t - Erin Kissane’s small internet website, 2023-07
- https://lemm.ee/post/873456 - I miss reddit, 2023-07-09
- https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/16zq1dd/the_lemmyverse_aint_all_its_cracked_up_to_be/ - The Lemmyverse ain’t all it’s cracked up to be, 2023-10-04
Hello,
I mostly had a look at the Lemmy posts, seems like most of them are 10 months - 1 year old. Lemmy has evolved a lot since then, user-level instance muting was a big change for instance.
The most active communities being on other instances than .ml is also a notable change.
From my experience, some of the things got way worse
There is american politics on completely unrelated posts and “memes” that are just statements about how capitalism is bad on meme communities
There is american politics on completely unrelated posts and “memes” that are just statements about how capitalism is bad on meme communities
If that’s a shared feeling, at some point someone will create “actual memes” community and it will take over
Though, I think a lot has stayed the same. I regularly read the same complaints that have been brought up over and over again for a long time now. I’m not sure if the UI, or moderation woes, or the atmosphere, or the size, or amount of argumentative people have changed substantially.
That’s a minority opinion. I’ve brought that up before and been pointed at the Changelog and told lots of things have changed. It just doesn’t feel that way for me.
UI
Which one? With the variety of front ends and mobile apps, experiences can be very different
moderation woes
Power tripper get regularly called out on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for a few months
atmosphere argumentative people
Very community dependant
Yeah, I (or we) have solved those issues for us. Or found workarounds. I’m not sure if that translates to the regular user, though. I guess most people are using some mobile apps anyways. So UI issues are an entirely different story.
And posting to the drama communities mostly adds drama here. It doesn’t make it any better.
I agree, all of this is very community and instance dependant. I didn’t address OP’s links directly. But that’s the reason why I’d dismiss a lot of them. For example if you’re reading the “All” feed, and then go ahead to complain it’s too much Linux news… That’s just stupid. Or if you’re on lemmy.world and complain about their moderation policies. We all know how the dynamics are. Or if you’re on lemmy.ml doing anything…
Which one? With the variety of front ends and mobile apps, experiences can be very different
Unfortunately, this basically translates to “if you know the secret handshake, you can make it better”. New users don’t know the handshake, and more casual users aren’t going to bother looking for instructions on how to do it. They already struggle with the idea of there being different URLs.
Which is a significant UI issue, as well. The most popular web servers leveraging ActivityPub continue to ape the visual form of centralized social media, which communicates to users that they work like centralized social media. But they don’t. Form follows function, and therefore form implies function. This is a significant source of the friction new users experience.
Remember, most new users are neither broken glass rejectors of some other website, nor are they ideologues. They’re just trying something new out, to see if it’s better than what they already have.
And the fediverse, point blank, is not. Mastodon is not better at being Twitter than Xitter or Bluesky. Lemmy is not better at being Reddit than Reddit. But they both look like they’re trying to be Twitters or Reddits. The result is that this place looks like the wish-dot-com version of the big players.
Power tripper get regularly called out on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for a few months
Power tripping occurs everywhere. The bigger issue is that because the fediverse is trying to pretend it’s just like centralized social media, moderation issues can appear a lot different here. For one, they tend to play out much more publicly, because a lot of them occur at the site admin level. For another, the idea of defederation is alien to centralized social media users, and the idea that they could be cut off from the people or communities they follow due to no fault of their own feels incredibly unjust. Even if the reason for defederation is totally understandable, the admins have followed a robust procedure, and alternatives have been tried, it still feels arbitrary to someone who’s not involved.
But that’s again a concern of significance because everyone wants to make believe this space is just like centralized social media. That the differences are superficial, and not backed into the very core of the experience. It’s also, in part, due to the limited range of moderation features currently explored. We mostly still have moderation suites that make the most sense in… wait for it… centralized settings.
This comes across as highly biased - perhaps you could make another post like this, where people sing the praises of the Fediverse? Not in terms of promises but the reality of actual experiences? And then link it here and vice versa, to give people a more accurate take of both Pros and Cons.
Overall some things do seem to be getting better. Not quickly, or even sufficiently, but inexorably it does seem to be happening. Although it also gets worse too in other ways so… I’m not sure what to say about the overall situation.
Personally, I’m going to start blocking more communities, which I find very sad bc I used to greatly enjoy those very same ones.:-(
Would be nice if you could sort these by date.
Ye, but it’s good to know that some are opinions that are 1 year+ old. I Would personally separate the articles in 1+ years old, and the rest.
Noted, moved posts made in 2024 to the top
I still think that most of the posts from 2023 is applicable now
Should I cross post this to !fediverse@lemmy.world?
Kinda regret doing it, the post is very biased
What was I thinking making this post
It’s not too late to turn things around and pretend it was a joke
Here’s one: https://lemmy.world/post/19004972
Search engines definitely crawl Lemmy, I’ve seen Lemmy posts pop up on Duckduckgo
They do, but the fact that users are separated across hundreds of instances means that all Lemmy-related websites won’t appear high in the search.
If SEO index is based on user count, can’t websites just create thousands of fake users to boost their index?
Lemmy.world definitely shows up a lot. But I wonder what could still be improved. The amount of content, I wonder? Not an expert on SEO, but SEO-wise lemmy is doing great, no?
Not an seo expert but.
Lemmy and fediverse should theoreticly be doing very well according to the traditional metrics of site value (backlinks etc). I suspect some engines like google have marked it as seo gaming/abuse and thus deranked it. Unfortunatly lemmy gets each instance ranked individually instead of a ranking for fediverse as a whole. Ultimately its an issue cos dns is outdated.
Here’s another: https://lemmy.world/post/19408108
But this one focuses on one thing that gave Reddit for example an advantage, prioritising desktop users: https://lemmy.world/post/23047126
