Summary
Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”
Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.
Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.
International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.
Since the Nazis? Cambodian genocide doesn’t even get a look in, eh?
Finally, a comparison which doesn’t fall flat on its face like much of the rest of this thread. The intensity in Cambodia was extreme, it was under four years and 1.5 to three million killed, tortured, experimented upon, you name it. Even with everything else assumed equal the Assads were way slower at doing things.
Hard to say if they Palestinian holocaust when the zionists wont allow people to be recovered from the rubble, use mass graves, and have been clearing rubble and not adding to the body count at all. They are hiding the numbers. Even hiding as much as possible its still about 50k.
Has the US investigator seen this yet?
‘All the cemeteries are full’: Palestinians buried in a mass grave in Gaza
They are both bad. But the Assad stuff is highlighted while Gaza is ignored. The selective standards are the problems.
Comparisons to the Holocaust are suddenly possible without anyone saying “no the Holocaust was when people were burned so Gaza is not a Holocaust”. No semantics warriors show up to defend Assad.
Have they been in a prison where they were regularly and systematically tortured, and that for decades, before they ended up in those bags?
Not even a fucking month has passed and people with .ml accounts are already trivialising Assad. Tankies gotta stick to their own, I guess.
I don’t understand this comment but yes the Palestinian in Gaza were in a giant prison, they get restricted access to food, no freedom of movement, and when they try to peacefully leave got shot in the knees by sniper.
You missed the industrial-scale torture part. There’s been some instances of torture, yes, but nothing even close to what happened in Syria in matters of both scale and systematics. The IDF, at large, has always been more interested in killing people than pure, unadulterated, sadism.
You’re rightfully enraged about the plight of the Palestinians, now don’t turn around and deny the plight of Syrians by drawing false equivalences. If you want to draw an equivalence for the Syrian situation try North Korea.
Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria’s neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It’s like they’re pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.
There are 100.000 bodies in a single mass grave. And that is just one out of five. That’s kinda in a league of its own.
It is, but not this big yet.
This is bigger than Gaza, not like the IDF is not trying to catch up.
The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia’s population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation’s life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.
You’re angry about a headline that abbreviates the actual story.
The very first paragraph of the article:
Mass graves uncovered in Syria in the days since President Bashar al-Assad wasoverthrown are exposing evidence of some of the worst abuses since the Nazis, a top international war crimes prosecutor said. [emphasis mine]
The article agrees with you. It’s only the headline that doesn’t.
This kind of anger and engagement at headlines is exactly what the media thrives off of. Don’t let them win by doing just that.
They win by getting you to click on the article. 🙄
They don’t get to smuggle lies into headlines and then clarify in the article. They should be held accountable for that kind of click bait.
I agree with your point but I think the Palestinian genocide is a bad example. Imo better examples from the top of my mind: the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides likely were far worse both in absolute numbers and as a % of the population, and the policies of Maoist China got many more people killed.
Man, Mao’s policies got so many people killed that “only” 3-4m people died of famine.
He’s got an incredible kill count.
The Palestinian genocide is happening right now, is my point. We don’t have to crawl through history to find atrocities.
Indonesia after the CIA coup is another good example, or Iraq when we killed over a million people. This stuff is way more recent than WWII.
And the Palestinian genocide and your other examples aren’t “worse” in any metric (yet). The use and misrepresentation of those examples just tells us that you’re a tankie who engages in whataboutism and spreads untruths to build a narrative.
Yes, nothing.
No one here is claiming what Israel is doing isn’t horrible (hell, you’re the only one bringing it up). But, this is worse. Wild how there can be more than one bad thing and one being worse doesn’t make the other one not bad, isn’t it?
You mean the country that is claiming Syrian sovereign space like the Golan Heights for their illegal settlements since the 90s?
It’s going to take some time (and digging) to find out.
However… events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.
Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.
Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.
How “whatabout” that.
Stop trying to shove this news under the carpet with your “I know worse but I won’t tell you!!1!”
I’m trying to point out that history didn’t start and end in WWII, and pointing to something just as bad happening right now.
Oh, I didn’t see that you’re an “ml”
Whatever works in your fantasy world and makes you happy 🤷🏼♀️
The Russians never stopped doing such things. Before, during and after WW2.
Yeah, from what I’ve gathered, Putin has enslaved and trafficked his own people (and in some cases killed and grave robbed them) for money and blackmail. Remember the monkey torture video rings? Well, it seems like Putin was doing that with his own people along with prisoners and trafficked people from other countries, to make every kind of video you could think of, to sell to influential people worldwide to gain blackmail on them. He also likely had irl experiences that people like Trump engaged in.
In Michael Wolff’s Fire&Fury podcast and book, he asserts Russia has pictures of Trump with topless minors. Katie Johnson also said he raped her and another girl when they were 13 and 12, and hit them afterwards for not performing good enough. This is absolutely a man who would engage in disturbing behavior overseas, and Epstein himself called Trump depraved and said there was nothing he couldn’t do. You can listen to Epstein himself say it in the podcast.
There’s also the Active Measures documentary with John McCain and Hilary Clinton. And Unger’s book American Kompromat.
So yeah, it’s likely the snuff videos from Russia you’d see on 4chan and Instagram were state sponsored media meant to get money and blackmail. It’s likely the extreme Russian torture videos were state sponsored. It’s likely that Tulsi, Elon (who admitted in court this year he has a kink roleplay account on X of his toddler XAE, who he took to meet Erdogan and keeps kidnapped from his mom), JDolphin Vance, RFK Jr, Tucker “a demon scratched me in bed not my dogs and no Putin isnt blackmailing me to say this as a wink towards what im being blackmailed for” Carlson, and all the rest, have SERIOUS SERIOUS blackmail on them.
All at the expense of Russian people and enslaved people.
Israel hasn’t killed over 100,000 yet. Gaza is a lot smaller than Syria or Europe.
The official toll isn’t over 100,000 (can’t count people under the rubble) but estimates put it over 100,000 i.e. same order of magnitude. Gaza being smaller just makes these estimates even more horrifying.
But also, not just talking about Gaza. Lots of other atrocities have lead to mass death on this scale and larger.
I don’t think we need to play Topp Trumps Genocide Edition. Can we just agree that it’s horrific what Assad (and by extension, Putin) have been doing in Syria?
No, we need to acknowledge that Assad is not the worst since WWII, otherwise we erase all the other atrocities that have happened.
Other genocides have happened. Worse genocides have happened. History didn’t start and end in WWII.
I must not! I’m pretty sure “worst since the Nazis” means " nothing between now and then was worse". As far as I was aware, worst means worse than everything else.
Worse than Indonesia. Cambodia. Algeria. Iraq. Korea. Vietnam. Yugoslavia. Evidently no atrocities have happened since WWII! 🙄
It’s like they’re pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.
That’s different from saying you think worse things happened.
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, buddy.
I really hope that there can be some sort of coalition for peace and recovery among the various Syrian forces now that Assad is out of power.
Mmm. We all know how this is going to go.
The “good guys” are all of a sudden going to see the potential to have power over others, and then feel entitled to do whatever they can to maintain and expand that power.
Before long, we have another Assad regime that’s different in name only.
It’s a cultural problem, and greed is the root of it all.
